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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That's not what I said. When 92 percent of your nominees are white men in a country that isn't overwhelmingly white and in about 20 years won't be its an issue.


It's only an issue if you're a racist.

Is that all you know how to say?

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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:10 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Yes, Their chose should be by merit rather than race

When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

Take a chill pill, guy. No need to be this incensed; being less angry will motivate people to actually respond to your points, and make your points actually good as well.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:11 pm

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Yes, but Fort McMurray was still not a massive trainwreck like the recovery of Puerto Rico.

That's what happens when a giant windstorm picks up multiple trains.


Not literally, silly.
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Postby Kramanica » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:11 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.


Of course not, afterall as you said we need to "share". Don't you get tired of tryhard edge posting?

No, not really. He's probably some old man past his prime who shitposts on NS because no one else will give him attention in real life. It really is sad.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Yeah just because they're not white, according to you.

That's not what I said. When 92 percent of your nominees are white men in a country that isn't overwhelmingly white and in about 20 years won't be its an issue.

Then get better education for non-whites if you want better representation for minorities. As far as I'm concerned if they can do the job good enough and have the merit and not just skin color this is not an issue.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's only an issue if you're a racist.

Is that all you know how to say?


I learned from your side :^]
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:11 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Yes, Their chose should be by merit rather than race

When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

I don't care if their 92% white nominees. If their qualified then they should get the role, however their likely not. And when their not make arguements on their qualification, rather than doing the "race screech."

Your presenting a arguement that is basically, instead of looking at skill and qualifications you'd rather look at skin, and who they represent. What if you mistake who they represent? Are you making assumptions on their appearance?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Yeah just because they're not white, according to you.

That's not what I said. When 92 percent of your nominees are white men in a country that isn't overwhelmingly white and in about 20 years won't be its an issue.

It's an issue with there being a dearth of qualified minorities. That's an issue, sure, but trying to shoehorn diversity into the government is just applying cosmetic cream to the symptom.
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Not according to San Lumen


I dont care about skin color. qualification and views matter more but What I object to is when you have a country that is as diverse as ours you should not be nominating all white men.

So...what do you want? Quotas based on demographics?

The government must be 5% Asian, 13% black, 18% Hispanic, and 55% white? Then 9% for 'all others'?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:13 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That's not what I said. When 92 percent of your nominees are white men in a country that isn't overwhelmingly white and in about 20 years won't be its an issue.

Then get better education for non-whites if you want better representation for minorities. As far as I'm concerned if they can do the job good enough and have the merit and not just skin color this is not an issue.

and yet DeVos is gutting the education system and will leave children in many places behind because she doesnt believe in public education.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.


There should be not finger on either side, each is as wrong as the other. And saying "The bench should look like the community it serves" is stupid, looks don't make a damn but of difference. If you care about a person based upon how they LOOK then I have a news flash for you, you're a fucking racist.

Ah yes, the 'lets pretend racism has no legacy and ended in some nebulous time and it's all okay now.'

I'm not going to play the "I'm not racist YOUR racist" game because it's dumb.

There is a history of unrest, oppression, riots, abuses, and neglect that indicate that it absolutely matters to have the people in power come from the communities they preside over, and the effects of not doing that are still felt today.

Play your name game. I don't care. I've read a history book or two, kept up on current events...not going to really care if someone desperate to score some political points takes the easy way out.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:13 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont care about skin color. qualification and views matter more but What I object to is when you have a country that is as diverse as ours you should not be nominating all white men.

So...what do you want? Quotas based on demographics?

The government must be 5% Asian, 13% black, 18% Hispanic, and 55% white? Then 9% for 'all others'?

Never said that either.

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Cannot think of a name wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Of course not, afterall as you said we need to "share". Don't you get tired of tryhard edge posting?

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:14 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont care about skin color. qualification and views matter more but What I object to is when you have a country that is as diverse as ours you should not be nominating all white men.

So...what do you want? Quotas based on demographics?

The government must be 5% Asian, 13% black, 18% Hispanic, and 55% white? Then 9% for 'all others'?

Would those qualifications have to be enforced on congress as well?
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Postby Kramanica » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:14 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Yes, Their chose should be by merit rather than race

When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

So about 70% of his nominees should be white? Do we need to do an exact measurement based on population and hand out seats based on that? That's... stupid.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:14 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

I don't care if their 92% white nominees. If their qualified then they should get the role, however their likely not. And when their not make arguements on their qualification, rather than doing the "race screech."

Your presenting a arguement that is basically, instead of looking at skill and qualifications you'd rather look at skin, and who they represent.

Frankly, I don't care if the person representing me is a five-eyed alien blob monster from Enceladus, as long as they're qualified and represent my views, even if imperfectly.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:15 pm

Kramanica wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Of course not, afterall as you said we need to "share". Don't you get tired of tryhard edge posting?

No, not really. He's probably some old man past his prime who shitposts on NS because no one else will give him attention in real life. It really is sad.

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Postby Hittanryan » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Yes, Their chose should be by merit rather than race

When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

To be honest I think it's more that they're all dedicated Republicans, and devoted Republicans tend to be older, whiter, and...male-r than the general American population.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

So about 70% of his nominees should be white? Do we need to do an exact measurement based on population and hand out seats based on that? That's... stupid.

No one is saying that. What they are saying is when all you nominate is white men in a country that is rapidly diversifying its a major issue. What does that say to a child in say Atlanta or Birmingham?

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

I don't care if their 92% white nominees. If their qualified then they should get the role, however their likely not. And when their not make arguements on their qualification, rather than doing the "race screech."

Your presenting a arguement that is basically, instead of looking at skill and qualifications you'd rather look at skin, and who they represent. What if you mistake who they represent? Are you making assumptions on their appearance?

Representation is good, but raging because a person’s voter population is of a certain color is, dare I say, racist? If we are truly going to be against racism, then there should be no difference between saying, “Well most of Obama’s voters were black, this is a problem,” and, “Well most of Trump’s voters were white, this is a problem.” I mean, what are you going to do? Focus on trying to get people to vote for you because of their skin-color? Is that really the answer to racism, or is that just perpetuating racism?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:I don't care if their 92% white nominees. If their qualified then they should get the role, however their likely not. And when their not make arguements on their qualification, rather than doing the "race screech."

Your presenting a arguement that is basically, instead of looking at skill and qualifications you'd rather look at skin, and who they represent.

Frankly, I don't care if the person representing me is a five-eyed alien blob monster from Enceladus, as long as they're qualified and represent my views, even if imperfectly.

And there in lies the rub...
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramanica wrote:So about 70% of his nominees should be white? Do we need to do an exact measurement based on population and hand out seats based on that? That's... stupid.

No one is saying that. What they are saying is when all you nominate is white men in a country that is rapidly diversifying its a major issue. What does that say to a child in say Atlanta or Birmingham?

There are white children in both Atlanta and Birmingham.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:17 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When 92% of your nominees are white...ninety fucking two percent...it's worth perhaps noting that maybe this hasn't been the case. That perhaps the finger has been placed a bit on the scale for white nominees and it might be time to put a finger on the other side. It's worth wondering if it really is merit if 92% of your nominees, who will preside over a population that is not 92% white, a population that will rely on them making fair judgements, are all from the same race. It's worth it to go, "Wait, the bench should look like the community it serves.

I don't buy the crocodile tears about 'merit,' you don't get to 92% on fucking merit. And if you do, that's still a problem.

So about 70% of his nominees should be white? Do we need to do an exact measurement based on population and hand out seats based on that? That's... stupid.

Almost as stupid as thinking you get to 92% white nominees on 'merit'.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:17 pm

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No one is saying that. What they are saying is when all you nominate is white men in a country that is rapidly diversifying its a major issue. What does that say to a child in say Atlanta or Birmingham?

There are white children in both Atlanta and Birmingham.

Im well aware.

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