Iran Protests

[Pilarcraft]

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

>traditional superiority
The fact there is the age of the youngest prostitutes in Iran reach 12-18 (and lower), along with the average minimum age of drug addicts, disprove that.
(the source would be this, but it's in persian so I kind of doubt you can read it)

[Durin VII]

What exactly would you consider Iranian and Aryan culture? As far as my knowledge goes Iranina culture is not a victim of opression in Iran.

It is to varying degrees and forms ever since 1300 years. But we both know that.

Other than that, yes, pretty much. The Islamic Republic is far from perfect, or even from 'good' in many aspects, but it's still better than that what had been there before it.

I disagree. See above.

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

If you believe that the Islamic Republic is anywhere close to tradition and spiritual superiority, then you have either no idea about the former or a very flawed comcept about the later. The fact that you have nothing better to bring up than some weak bourgeois arguments is very telling.

I prefer the shortcommings of the west with the possibility of freedom over the rule in name of the false idols.

1) It entirely depends on what you consider part of the Iranian culture. In the end, all cultures world wide have changed a lot since like forever, and a lot of them did so through state interference.
State interference into the local culture isn't always a form of opression, sometimes it's just a way to speed up a change in the culture.

2) Better to agree to disagree then since it's doubtful one of us will convince the other.

[Flazak-Wielko]

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

>traditional superiority
The fact there is the age of the youngest prostitutes in Iran reach 12-18 (and lower), along with the average minimum age of drug addicts, disprove that.
(the source would be this, but it's in persian so I kind of doubt you can read it)

Much like every country, Iran has problems with vice. But unlike In the West they don't promote it and normalize these behaviours. In the West these whores would be called "girls having fun" or "just a night out."

[Durin VII]

For those interested, here's a fairly good report on the protests in Iran.

[Cedoria]

Some topics for discussion:
1. Is Iran heading for regime change?
2. Will these protests spread to other countries?
3. How should President Trump respond to this situation?

1: Probably not, but I hope so.
2: No.
3: Absolutely nothing. It's not something he should control. Iran's future should be for Iranians to determine.

[Sovaal]

>traditional superiority
The fact there is the age of the youngest prostitutes in Iran reach 12-18 (and lower), along with the average minimum age of drug addicts, disprove that.
(the source would be this, but it's in persian so I kind of doubt you can read it)

Much like every country, Iran has problems with vice. But unlike In the West they don't promote it and normalize these behaviours. In the West these whores would be called "girls having fun" or "just a night out."

At the ages he stated? Non. And “Girls having fun” =/= prostitutes.

And honestly if God doesn’t like the way humanity runs things he launch Armageddon any day now.

[Cedoria]

>traditional superiority
The fact there is the age of the youngest prostitutes in Iran reach 12-18 (and lower), along with the average minimum age of drug addicts, disprove that.
(the source would be this, but it's in persian so I kind of doubt you can read it)

Much like every country, Iran has problems with vice. But unlike In the West they don't promote it and normalize these behaviours. In the West these whores would be called "girls having fun" or "just a night out."

Is that why women can be legally raped by the Revolutionary Guard as a punishment? Because they don't normalise vice and abnormal sexual behaviors? I never would have guessed!

[Pilarcraft]

>traditional superiority
The fact there is the age of the youngest prostitutes in Iran reach 12-18 (and lower), along with the average minimum age of drug addicts, disprove that.
(the source would be this, but it's in persian so I kind of doubt you can read it)

Much like every country, Iran has problems with vice. But unlike In the West they don't promote it and normalize these behaviours. In the West these whores would be called "girls having fun" or "just a night out."

Let me tell you about promotion and normalization of rape.
there's this small thing in the Iranian Law, taken from Sharia, that you can't execute a virgin.
All good, since most virgins (at least, when the law was written in Ancient Arabia) would be about 9 or lower. The Change of "what age is appropriate for a girl to marry" has caused some people, all the way to 18, to be virgins.
three guesses how they solve the "you can't execute a virgin" problem. hint: it's not "let them go."

[Community Values]

Much like every country, Iran has problems with vice. But unlike In the West they don't promote it and normalize these behaviours. In the West these whores would be called "girls having fun" or "just a night out."

Let me tell you about promotion and normalization of rape.
there's this small thing in the Iranian Law, taken from Sharia, that you can't execute a virgin.
All good, since most virgins (at least, when the law was written in Ancient Arabia) would be about 9 or lower. The Change of "what age is appropriate for a girl to marry" has caused some people, all the way to 18, to be virgins.
three guesses how they solve the "you can't execute a virgin" problem. hint: it's not "let them go."

That's fucked up

[Durin VII]

Much like every country, Iran has problems with vice. But unlike In the West they don't promote it and normalize these behaviours. In the West these whores would be called "girls having fun" or "just a night out."

Let me tell you about promotion and normalization of rape.
there's this small thing in the Iranian Law, taken from Sharia, that you can't execute a virgin.
All good, since most virgins (at least, when the law was written in Ancient Arabia) would be about 9 or lower. The Change of "what age is appropriate for a girl to marry" has caused some people, all the way to 18, to be virgins.
three guesses how they solve the "you can't execute a virgin" problem. hint: it's not "let them go."

I feel like this has become one of the biggest issues concerning law enforcement in countries that apply Sharia law, just the absolute failure of taking the context and time difference into account when applying certain laws.

[Pilarcraft]

Let me tell you about promotion and normalization of rape.
there's this small thing in the Iranian Law, taken from Sharia, that you can't execute a virgin.
All good, since most virgins (at least, when the law was written in Ancient Arabia) would be about 9 or lower. The Change of "what age is appropriate for a girl to marry" has caused some people, all the way to 18, to be virgins.
three guesses how they solve the "you can't execute a virgin" problem. hint: it's not "let them go."

I feel like this has become one of the biggest issues concerning law enforcement in countries that apply Sharia law, just the absolute failure of taking the context and time difference into account when applying certain laws.

you're not wrong. It's part of why Laws need to change to accommodate the time they're being used in, which most theocratic legal systems ignore. after all, if you were going to change your divine law after, say, 1400 years, then the divine law would need change and thus wouldn't be superior.

[The Transhuman Union]

Well there are now protests in Tunisia as well (although different goals).
I have a bad feeling about this...

[Topoliani]

Well there are now protests in Tunisia as well (although different goals).
I have a bad feeling about this...

plz no arab spring 2: electric boogaloo

[Pilarcraft]

Well there are now protests in Tunisia as well (although different goals).
I have a bad feeling about this...

plz no arab spring 2: electric boogaloo

saudi arabia will probably be next. the same reasons for the Iran protests apply.

[Durin VII]

I feel like this has become one of the biggest issues concerning law enforcement in countries that apply Sharia law, just the absolute failure of taking the context and time difference into account when applying certain laws.

you're not wrong. It's part of why Laws need to change to accommodate the time they're being used in, which most theocratic legal systems ignore. after all, if you were going to change your divine law after, say, 1400 years, then the divine law would need change and thus wouldn't be superior.

It really depends on the way one looks at it. Surely they could argue that these were the de facto laws laid out by Muhammad and thus they should not be changed, but on the other hand they could also argue that Muhammad would not apply these exact laws if he had lived today.
Sadly that second logic is rarely ever applied as they fear the responses of the strict conservatives, who, in a country such as Iran, hold a good amount of power.

[Pilarcraft]

you're not wrong. It's part of why Laws need to change to accommodate the time they're being used in, which most theocratic legal systems ignore. after all, if you were going to change your divine law after, say, 1400 years, then the divine law would need change and thus wouldn't be superior.

It really depends on the way one looks at it. Surely they could argue that these were the de facto laws laid out by Muhammad and thus they should not be changed, but on the other hand they could also argue that Muhammad would not apply these exact laws if he had lived today.
Sadly that second logic is rarely ever applied as they fear the responses of the strict conservatives, who, in a country such as Iran, hold a good amount of power.

the idea of "[insert religious figure] wouldn't do [religious action] if he lived today!" is something that, in my humble opinion, remains as an antithesis to monotheism as a concept.
The Monotheistic God needs to be perfect. he (assuming he exists) probably exists outside time but we do not. since that book also exists in time (seeing as Quran didn't exist before Abu Bakr ordered it written from the stuff Muhammad had said as Wah'i), whatever law that exists in it exists in time, but since its source is a timeless being, it can't need change. I mean, to claim otherwise would mean that a god would learn better, just as humans did, and that goes against Omniscience.

[Durin VII]

It really depends on the way one looks at it. Surely they could argue that these were the de facto laws laid out by Muhammad and thus they should not be changed, but on the other hand they could also argue that Muhammad would not apply these exact laws if he had lived today.
Sadly that second logic is rarely ever applied as they fear the responses of the strict conservatives, who, in a country such as Iran, hold a good amount of power.

the idea of "[insert religious figure] wouldn't do [religious action] if he lived today!" is something that, in my humble opinion, remains as an antithesis to monotheism as a concept.
The Monotheistic God needs to be perfect. he (assuming he exists) probably exists outside time but we do not. since that book also exists in time (seeing as Quran didn't exist before Abu Bakr ordered it written from the stuff Muhammad had said as Wah'i), whatever law that exists in it exists in time, but since its source is a timeless being, it can't need change. I mean, to claim otherwise would mean that a god would learn better, just as humans did, and that goes against Omniscience.

I understand the logic they use but can't get around it. Just as you say "I mean, to claim otherwise would mean that a god would learn better, just as humans did, and that goes against Omniscience." I mean, did God knew time would advance this much? Perhaps God meant those laws to exist in that timeperiod, not now...

God is a very broad term in this matter and it seems like religious people are rather ignorant when it comes to a diety and his/her/its will.

Anyhow, the current attitute probably won't change until moderate clerics get the upperhand, and till that time arrives it will likely stay as backwards as it is today...

[Arvenia]

The Iranian people should eventually see a democratic change in their religiously fanatical regime. I had read about these protests on both alternative media websites and YouTube. These protests has caused a rift between those pink-wearing hypocrites in the US and the brave protesters in Iran. The Iranian Revolution of 1979 was about Iranians being ill of Shah's alliance with Anglo-American oil barons, but it escalated to call for a theocratic regime that sides with either NATO or the Soviet Union. The protests would continue until the theocratic bastards resigns and a democratic rule arrives. The same theocratic bastards also supports Hezbollah, Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad, commits genocide against Kurds, economically humiliates the Iranian lower-class and tries to silence social media. The leftists are also silent on the protests (beside silencing Trump), but one day they might respond, only to denounce the protesters as "Islamophobic" for hating the hijab and further defend the theocrats. Trump's support for the Iranians could sound good for some of us, but it might derail for him, so he better be cautious about his policies, especially those focused on immigration.

A second revolution may sound bad, because it might result in something bad like a civil war if the protesters were to take up arms against the Supreme Leader and his greedy henchmen just like the Syrians did after a violent government crackdown in 2011.

I hope the future looks bright for us all, especially for me, because I don't like the current political climate seen in the West, as well as those bratty SJWs. When are they going to learn? Well, probably never or just send them to re-education camps. We need to find and preserve the truth.

[Farnhamia]

The Iranian people should eventually see a democratic change in their religiously fanatical regime. I had read about these protests on both alternative media websites and YouTube. These protests has caused a rift between those pink-wearing hypocrites in the US and the brave protesters in Iran. The Iranian Revolution of 1979 was about Iranians being ill of Shah's alliance with Anglo-American oil barons, but it escalated to call for a theocratic regime that sides with either NATO or the Soviet Union. The protests would continue until the theocratic bastards resigns and a democratic rule arrives. The same theocratic bastards also supports Hezbollah, Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad, commits genocide against Kurds, economically humiliates the Iranian lower-class and tries to silence social media. The leftists are also silent on the protests (beside silencing Trump), but one day they might respond, only to denounce the protesters as "Islamophobic" for hating the hijab and further defend the theocrats. Trump's support for the Iranians could sound good for some of us, but it might derail for him, so he better be cautious about his policies, especially those focused on immigration.

A second revolution may sound bad, because it might result in something bad like a civil war if the protesters were to take up arms against the Supreme Leader and his greedy henchmen just like the Syrians did after a violent government crackdown in 2011.

I hope the future looks bright for us all, especially for me, because I don't like the current political climate seen in the West, as well as those bratty SJWs. When are they going to learn? Well, probably never or just send them to re-education camps. We need to find and preserve the truth.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

I was going to let you off with an ominous loom but after delving into your record, I changed my mind. Using epithets like "pink-wearing hypocrites" and "bratty SJWs" adds nothing to the conversation. Suggesting people be sent to re-education camps is out and out trolling.

[Socialist Czechia]

'Islamic Republic' needs several major changes, but can be on the way to be most democratic muslim state in world.

But before that, Revolutionary Guards and main religious leader must be removed from power and stop interfering with elections and decisions made by the government.

Is there any chance that 3rd Grand Ayatollah will be more sane person?

[Durin VII]

Is there any chance that 3rd Grand Ayatollah will be more sane person?

None of the Ayatollah's Supreme Leaders were insane for that matter, but i get your idea, and on that i'd say no, there is no real chance for a better 3rd one.
As far as i know all members of the Assembly of Experts are quite the hardliners, and Khamenei holds a very tight grip on them, even going as far as calling some traitors when they do something he doesn't like. Hassan Khomeini applied for the Assembly back in 2015 (In case you don't know him, he's the grandson of the first Supreme Leader and he's quite moderate) and was rejected by the Guardian Council, another political body heavily influenced by Khamenei.

One man to closely follow is Ahmad Jannati, he's chairman of the Assembly of Experts and chairman of the Guardian Council, the two most influential political bodies in Iran. It is extremely likely that whoever he favours becomes the next Supreme Leader (If he's still alive at that point ofcourse).