Iran Protests

[Improved werpland]

NYT said Iranians (including the middle class) were growing ever more nationalistic and anti-Western. I guess this means they were wrong, no?

[Kibbutz Unions]

Its probably all fomented by Israel.

"I can't explain it so it must be the Zionists."
Really mate? Is it so hard to believe working-class Iranians suffer under the theocratic government and the capitalist economy?

[Baltenstein]

NYT said Iranians (including the middle class) were growing ever more nationalistic and anti-Western. I guess this means they were wrong, no?

Being anti-Trump does not make you anti-Western. Most people in most Western countries have a rather negative opinion about Trump too.
Also, Iranians who are against their own corrupt, oppressive regime will obviously not be very fond of Saudi-Arabia's corrupt, oppressive regime. In fact from what I've heard, I daresay that Anti-Arabism is a far more unifying force in Iranian society than Antizionism.
It speaks volumes about the Iranian regime however, that they are slowly enriching their morally bankrupt ideology with doses of - more appealing, it would seem - good old-fashioned nationalism. The PRC has been doing the same for years too.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I daresay that Anti-Arabism is a far more unifying force in Iranian society than Antizionism.

If true, that ain't good: http://legacy.quran.com/3/103, http://legacy.quran.com/4/144, http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/lastserm.HTM:

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.

[Baltenstein]

I daresay that Anti-Arabism is a far more unifying force in Iranian society than Antizionism.

If true, that ain't good: http://legacy.quran.com/3/103, http://legacy.quran.com/4/144, http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/lastserm.HTM:

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.

Racism and national rivalries are very much a thing in Muslim countries, just like everywhere else.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If true, that ain't good: http://legacy.quran.com/3/103, http://legacy.quran.com/4/144, http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/lastserm.HTM:

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.

Racism and national rivalries are very much a thing in Muslim countries, just like everywhere else.

I know, hence why I said "that ain't good" and showed those links.

[Durin VII]

Even though it is highly unlikely that something will change i really hope the government has listened to it/is listening to it, otherwise we'll be seeing these kind of protests every couple of years.

And just when Iran's foreign policy has had such a succesful year...guess that the situation at home will always trump the situation abroad.

Succesful? The US just threatened scrapping their nuclear arms deal, and the war in Yemen they have been supporting has been damaging to say the least.

1) The US cannnot 'scrap' the nuclear deal.
2) The situation in Yemen hardly damages Iran.

[Durin VII]

Looks like it's not just in Iran anymore

Some fifteen people attacked the Iranian embassy in the Netherlands, eight of them were arrested and are charged with arson, assault and the disruption of public order.
Personally i can somewhat understand their anger, but there's no need for such attacks in any way, shape or form and i hope that they will be severely punished for it.

[Baltenstein]

Even though it is highly unlikely that something will change i really hope the government has listened to it/is listening to it, otherwise we'll be seeing these kind of protests every couple of years.

Succesful? The US just threatened scrapping their nuclear arms deal, and the war in Yemen they have been supporting has been damaging to say the least.

1) The US cannnot 'scrap' the nuclear deal.
2) The situation in Yemen hardly damages Iran.

If anything, the fact that SA is unable to pacify an Iranian-sponsored insurgency at its southern flank is an Iranian gepolitical success rather than damaging for them.

[Durin VII]

Even though it is highly unlikely that something will change i really hope the government has listened to it/is listening to it, otherwise we'll be seeing these kind of protests every couple of years.



1) The US cannnot 'scrap' the nuclear deal.
2) The situation in Yemen hardly damages Iran.

If anything, the fact that SA is unable to pacify an Iranian-sponsored insurgency at its southern flank is an Iranian gepolitical success rather than damaging for them.

Indeed, but we cannot forget that it did cause Iran to lose relations with several nations, some of which were fairly important (such as the UAE). This however hasn't been that much of an issue for Iran so i wouldn't exactly call it damaging so much, especially not when we consider the increased relations of Iran with countries like Russia, Turkey and Qatar.

On the geopolitical scale SA is just biting the dust everywhere, even a child could play the 'game' better than they've been doing lately.

[Oil exporting People]

Reflecting on this from a geo-political perspective, this is probably the most important event since 9/11.

[Grossteutschland]

They ought to reintroduce the Shah rule of Persia.

[Oil exporting People]

They ought to reintroduce the Shah rule of Persia.

The current claimant deserves no right to the title, IMHO.

[Neanderthaland]

They ought to reintroduce the Shah rule of Persia.

He is quite dead.

Might as well put Jake Gyllenhaal in charge of the country.

[-Ocelot-]

They ought to reintroduce the Shah rule of Persia.

why?

[Nakena]

They ought to reintroduce the Shah rule of Persia.

why?

Because Monarchy is the traditional form of governance in Iran.

The Shah was weak though in 79.

[Durin VII]

why?

Because Monarchy is the traditional form of governance in Iran.

The Shah was weak though in 79.

Monarchy was/is the traditional form of governance in many nations of the world, it doesn't mean that it's good or that it should return. The Shah was a brutal piece of shit and in most ways worse than the current government.

[Nakena]

The Shah was a brutal piece of shit and in most ways worse than the current government.

That is plain wrong. If he would have been brutal as you said, he would have had Chomeini and the other leading clerics executed.

Which is likely what his father would have done.

The Shah was a weak ruler.

[-Ocelot-]

why?

Because Monarchy is the traditional form of governance in Iran.

The Shah was weak though in 79.

Slavery is the traditional form of servitude historically, should we bring it back as well?

[Nakena]

Because Monarchy is the traditional form of governance in Iran.

The Shah was weak though in 79.

Slavery is the traditional form of servitude historically, should we bring it back as well?

Your lack of arguments relevant to the topic is rather disappointing.

[Donut section]

Because Monarchy is the traditional form of governance in Iran.

The Shah was weak though in 79.

Slavery is the traditional form of servitude historically, should we bring it back as well?

Ahem...

Income taxes...

[-Ocelot-]

Slavery is the traditional form of servitude historically, should we bring it back as well?

Your lack of arguments relevant to the topic is rather disappointing.

Do you know what else is disappointing? Supporters of monarchy.

And a logical fallacy named "appeal to tradition".

[Durin VII]

The Shah was a brutal piece of shit and in most ways worse than the current government.

That is plain wrong. If he would have been brutal as you said, he would have had Chomeini and the other leading clerics executed.

Which is likely what his father would have done.

The Shah was a weak ruler.

It's as right as it can get. The Shah was a brutal ruler who deserved a public hanging more than anyone else. The fact that some of his predecessors were even worse doesn't excuse him from anything at all. Or do you actually believe the people rose up against him because he was such a kind and loving man?

[Grossteutschland]

Monarchy was/is the traditional form of governance in many nations of the world, it doesn't mean that it's good or that it should return. The Shah was a brutal piece of shit and in most ways worse than the current government.

What did the Shah actually do "brutal" and "bad"? And obviously you forgot that the House of Durin are actually monarchs.

[Kash Island]

bringing the Shah back as a Secular Constitutional Monarchy could be a great balance, it would satisfy a lot of people I believe.