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What kind of deal is the Iran protests?

No deal
27
18%
Some deal
72
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Big deal
49
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Total votes : 148

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Janszoonia
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Postby Janszoonia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:04 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Otira wrote:Including Canada and Mexico.

True. Pretty much every country in the Americas.

Except for maybe Peru and Bolivia.
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Otira
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Postby Otira » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, that is what I meant to imply. It's why I'm not bothered by immigrants coming to the US (because the current population is not the indigenous residents), but care considerably about immigrants displacing the native inhabitants of other places.

What's the cutoff point for immigration become acceptable? 500 years? 1000 years?

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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:05 pm

Janszoonia wrote:
Otira wrote:Including Canada and Mexico.

'Murica

Thinking all Canadians are native.

Wait what?
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Otira
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Postby Otira » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:06 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Janszoonia wrote:'Murica

Thinking all Canadians are native.

Wait what?

I didn't get xis joke(?) or sarcasm(?) or whatever it's meant to be either.

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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:06 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Kramania wrote:What their pet Jews think is irrelevant to me.

If they don't want people to think they want to exterminate Jews then perhaps they should stop saying it every six seconds.

That depends on what they say. Does Iran say "off with Israel" or "off with Jews"?

Both
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Vistulange
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Postby Vistulange » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:06 pm

Otira wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, that is what I meant to imply. It's why I'm not bothered by immigrants coming to the US (because the current population is not the indigenous residents), but care considerably about immigrants displacing the native inhabitants of other places.

What's the cutoff point for immigration become acceptable? 500 years? 1000 years?

It's going to be arbitrary, whatever you pick. Hence, I'd say it's a fruitless effort.

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Janszoonia
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Postby Janszoonia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:07 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Kramania wrote:What their pet Jews think is irrelevant to me.

If they don't want people to think they want to exterminate Jews then perhaps they should stop saying it every six seconds.

lol I love when people play the jewish card and then drop tons of antisemitism on you

They just aren't jewish enough for you, the white kid from America, who goes to Temple twice a year and really enjoys Hanukkah celebrations

"It's actually a bit shocking coming to Israel. I honestly thought everyone would be eating matzo and killing Arabs. My family is 1/12 Jewish, but we seem to keep the traditions alive. It's sad to see just how far Judaism has fallen from..."
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:07 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Kramania wrote:What their pet Jews think is irrelevant to me.

If they don't want people to think they want to exterminate Jews then perhaps they should stop saying it every six seconds.

lol I love when people play the jewish card and then drop tons of antisemitism on you

They just aren't jewish enough for you, the white kid from America, who goes to Temple twice a year and really enjoys Hanukkah celebrations

Not really. I'm agnostic.
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Otira
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Postby Otira » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:08 pm

Vistulange wrote:
Otira wrote:What's the cutoff point for immigration become acceptable? 500 years? 1000 years?

It's going to be arbitrary, whatever you pick. Hence, I'd say it's a fruitless effort.

That's what I think. Such a stance seems more like a disingenuous platform to stand on and nitpick which cultures one likes and dislikes.

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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:08 pm

Kramania wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:That depends on what they say. Does Iran say "off with Israel" or "off with Jews"?

Both

:shock:
Pro: (Pan-)Islamism--Palestine--RBG--Choice to an extent--Giving land back to Native Americans--East--Afrika--etc.
Anti: US gov--West gov--Capitalism--Imperialism/Colonialism--Racism/White Supremacy--Secularism getting into everything--Western 'intervention' in the East--Zionism--etc.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:10 pm

Kramania wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:That depends on what they say. Does Iran say "off with Israel" or "off with Jews"?

Both

"through a website proxy" is doing a lot of work there

WND (WorldNetDaily) is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right[2][3][4][5] as well as politically conservative.[6] It was founded in May 1997 by Joseph Farah with the stated intent of "exposing wrongdoing, corruption and abuse of power".[7] The website publishes news, editorials, and opinion columns, while also aggregating content from other publications. It has drawn controversy for its promotion of conspiracy theories, including ones about Barack Obama's citizenship

seems reliable

Kramania wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:lol I love when people play the jewish card and then drop tons of antisemitism on you

They just aren't jewish enough for you, the white kid from America, who goes to Temple twice a year and really enjoys Hanukkah celebrations

Not really. I'm agnostic.

Even better

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:10 pm

Otira wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, that is what I meant to imply. It's why I'm not bothered by immigrants coming to the US (because the current population is not the indigenous residents), but care considerably about immigrants displacing the native inhabitants of other places.

What's the cutoff point for immigration become acceptable? 500 years? 1000 years?

It's not a cutoff point, I just think that the population that has lived their consistently for hundreds of years should always remain the majority. Immigration is fine, but it shouldn't displace the population, and should always be genetically and culturally assimilated by the larger native population.
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Improved werpland
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Postby Improved werpland » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:13 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Otira wrote:What's the cutoff point for immigration become acceptable? 500 years? 1000 years?

It's not a cutoff point, I just think that the population that has lived their consistently for hundreds of years should always remain the majority. Immigration is fine, but it shouldn't displace the population, and should always be genetically and culturally assimilated by the larger native population.

Why do you support Russian presence in the North Caucasus then?
Kramania wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:That depends on what they say. Does Iran say "off with Israel" or "off with Jews"?

Both

World Nut Daily though.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:13 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Kramania wrote:Both

"through a website proxy" is doing a lot of work there

WND (WorldNetDaily) is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right[2][3][4][5] as well as politically conservative.[6] It was founded in May 1997 by Joseph Farah with the stated intent of "exposing wrongdoing, corruption and abuse of power".[7] The website publishes news, editorials, and opinion columns, while also aggregating content from other publications. It has drawn controversy for its promotion of conspiracy theories, including ones about Barack Obama's citizenship

seems reliable

Oh whoops.
But still, I wouldn't put it past the Iranian gov to say something like that.
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Janszoonia
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Postby Janszoonia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:13 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Otira wrote:What's the cutoff point for immigration become acceptable? 500 years? 1000 years?

It's not a cutoff point, I just think that the population that has lived their consistently for hundreds of years should always remain the majority. Immigration is fine, but it shouldn't displace the population, and should always be genetically and culturally assimilated by the larger native population.

Culturally yes, but not genetically.
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Otira
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Postby Otira » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:14 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not a cutoff point, I just think that the population that has lived their consistently for hundreds of years should always remain the majority. Immigration is fine, but it shouldn't displace the population, and should always be genetically and culturally assimilated by the larger native population.

Why do you support Russian presence in the North Caucasus then?

Because xis attitude is one of nitpicking based on cultures xe prefers and which should be replaced. It's a subtle form of racism or bigotry presumably rooted in politics.

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:16 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not a cutoff point, I just think that the population that has lived their consistently for hundreds of years should always remain the majority. Immigration is fine, but it shouldn't displace the population, and should always be genetically and culturally assimilated by the larger native population.

Why do you support Russian presence in the North Caucasus then?

Because the Mongols weren't the original inhabitants, and also because it's impossible to reverse what happened by now, much like with the United States and its population.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:17 pm

Otira wrote:
Improved werpland wrote:Why do you support Russian presence in the North Caucasus then?

Because xis attitude is one of nitpicking based on cultures xe prefers and which should be replaced. It's a subtle form of racism or bigotry presumably rooted in politics.

I'm not Xi Jinping, so you can stop with the "xis" BS.
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:19 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Kramania wrote:Both

"through a website proxy" is doing a lot of work there

A mouthpiece for the Supreme Leader.

WND (WorldNetDaily) is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right[2][3][4][5] as well as politically conservative.[6] It was founded in May 1997 by Joseph Farah with the stated intent of "exposing wrongdoing, corruption and abuse of power".[7] The website publishes news, editorials, and opinion columns, while also aggregating content from other publications. It has drawn controversy for its promotion of conspiracy theories, including ones about Barack Obama's citizenship

seems reliable

Disprove it then.

Kramania wrote:Not really. I'm agnostic.

Even better

You make little sense. And you also aren't an authority on what constitutes anti-Semitism.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:30 pm

Janszoonia wrote:Yes, but there are many Americans who don't even have parents who were born in the U.S. Does that mean they are not American?


For most of them, it really shouldn't.

Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Currently, protests are spreading throughout Iran against the government led by President Hassan Rouhani. Counter-protests in support of the government have also flared up led by "hard-liners".
https://apnews.com/ce07ad7aea0a4d1a86f9 ... government
https://www.afp.com/en/news/23/iran-war ... doc-vh7ua1
http://news.trust.org/item/20171230122520-z6tas

Here is a Twitter you should pay attention to:
https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami


Rooting for the regime in this.
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:36 pm

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Improved werpland
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Postby Improved werpland » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Improved werpland wrote:Why do you support Russian presence in the North Caucasus then?

Because the Mongols weren't the original inhabitants, and also because it's impossible to reverse what happened by now, much like with the United States and its population.

The Circassians aren't Mongols, but eh, this is only marginally related.

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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:38 pm

Kramania wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:"through a website proxy" is doing a lot of work there

A mouthpiece for the Supreme Leader.

seems reliable

Disprove it then.

I'm not gonna bother disproving your crackpot conspiracy site that thinks the ramblings of one website is official govt policy.



Even better

You make little sense. And you also aren't an authority on what constitutes anti-Semitism.

And yet here I am calling you an anti-semite.

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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:45 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Janszoonia wrote:Yes, but there are many Americans who don't even have parents who were born in the U.S. Does that mean they are not American?


For most of them, it really shouldn't.

Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Currently, protests are spreading throughout Iran against the government led by President Hassan Rouhani. Counter-protests in support of the government have also flared up led by "hard-liners".
https://apnews.com/ce07ad7aea0a4d1a86f9 ... government
https://www.afp.com/en/news/23/iran-war ... doc-vh7ua1
http://news.trust.org/item/20171230122520-z6tas

Here is a Twitter you should pay attention to:
https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami


Rooting for the regime in this.

I'm not telling you that you should root for the protesters, but why root for the regime? Just take the neutral route and not route for anyone.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:46 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Kramania wrote:A mouthpiece for the Supreme Leader.


Disprove it then.

I'm not gonna bother disproving your crackpot conspiracy site that thinks the ramblings of one website is official govt policy.



You make little sense. And you also aren't an authority on what constitutes anti-Semitism.

And yet here I am calling you an anti-semite.

I wouldn't call Kramania an anti-Semite
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
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I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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