Iran Protests

[Janszoonia]

Just going by what their leadership says. All their huffing and puffing about how they want to wipe Israel off the map never gets old.

"Wipe Israel off the map" is actually a very crude translation. A better translation would be something like "We want to redraw the map without Israel." "Wipe off the map" has connotations of destruction in English; the phrase actually used implies more a redrawing of borders.

It still shows a desire to get rid of Israel as a state. It may not mean that Iran wants to kill all Jews, but they do still want to destroy the state of Israel, which is the Jewish homeland.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What's it have to do with being American?

Americans, as you evidence, often have very poor knowledge about the world beyond their borders.

I 2nd this.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Americans, as you evidence, often have very poor knowledge about the world beyond their borders.

Don't generalize, my dude.


Link me a geography quiz and I shall prove my knowledge to you.

It's obviously meant as an average.

[Kramania]

"Our Jews"

Fucking lol.

Our—the country of Iran
Jews—jews

Our jews—the jews of the country of Iran

Glad to help.

Their Jews are good. Just the other ones suck.

And you do realize their "legislature" is laughable, right? Just like their elections.

The mullahs hold the real power. And the Supreme Leader can smack down anyone elected or any laws passed that he doesn't like. So having his pet Jews in the legislature doesn't prove much to me.

[MERIZoC]

Our—the country of Iran
Jews—jews

Our jews—the jews of the country of Iran

Glad to help.

Their Jews are good. Just the other ones suck.

And you do realize their "legislature" is laughable, right? Just like their elections.

The mullahs hold the real power. And the Supreme Leader can smack down anyone elected or any laws passed that he doesn't like. So having his pet Jews in the legislature doesn't prove much to me.

I dont really care what it "proves to you", your assertion that Iran wants to exterminate jews is incredibly stupid.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Our—the country of Iran
Jews—jews

Our jews—the jews of the country of Iran

Glad to help.

Their Jews are good. Just the other ones suck.

And you do realize their "legislature" is laughable, right? Just like their elections.

The mullahs hold the real power. And the Supreme Leader can smack down anyone elected or any laws passed that he doesn't like. So having his pet Jews in the legislature doesn't prove much to me.

Kramania speaks the truth.

[Kramania]

Their Jews are good. Just the other ones suck.

And you do realize their "legislature" is laughable, right? Just like their elections.

The mullahs hold the real power. And the Supreme Leader can smack down anyone elected or any laws passed that he doesn't like. So having his pet Jews in the legislature doesn't prove much to me.

I dont really care what it "proves to you", your assertion that Iran wants to exterminate jews is incredibly stupid.

Because they tell us they do.

[Otira]

It still shows a desire to get rid of Israel as a state. It may not mean that Iran wants to kill all Jews, but they do still want to destroy the state of Israel, which is the Jewish homeland.

They probably don't trust them since Israel does stuff like possess nuclear weapons and not sign treaties on them.

[United Muscovite Nations]

"Wipe Israel off the map" is actually a very crude translation. A better translation would be something like "We want to redraw the map without Israel." "Wipe off the map" has connotations of destruction in English; the phrase actually used implies more a redrawing of borders.

It still shows a desire to get rid of Israel as a state. It may not mean that Iran wants to kill all Jews, but they do still want to destroy the state of Israel, which is the Jewish homeland.

In the same sense that my homeland, as someone mostly descended from Germanic, is in the Ukraine. Only a very small number of the Jews currently living in Israel even have great-grandparents who lived in Palestine.

[Kramania]

Their Jews are good. Just the other ones suck.

And you do realize their "legislature" is laughable, right? Just like their elections.

The mullahs hold the real power. And the Supreme Leader can smack down anyone elected or any laws passed that he doesn't like. So having his pet Jews in the legislature doesn't prove much to me.

Kramania speaks the truth.

But I'm not knowledgeable about how Iran works. Only Merizoc is.

[MERIZoC]

I dont really care what it "proves to you", your assertion that Iran wants to exterminate jews is incredibly stupid.

Because they tell us they do.

Funny, jews that actually live there don't feel the same.
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[Vistulange]

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

The Shah apparent would, to my memory, call for a referendum on the matter. There were other middle eastern monarchies which turned into dictatorships but never returned to being a monarchy.
It is doubtable that we'll see a new Shah appear.

No - the late Shah was crap. Like, he was crap. Horrible.



This is very true. Yes, the Islamic Republic is crap. That does not mean whatever preceded it was good. Ideally, a democratic republic would be established, but this is the Middle-East. Such things happen once every century. Or never. I don't know. Basically, when was the last time we saw a good, proper democracy emerging out of the Middle-East from revolutions? If Tunisia is considered "Middle-East", that's maybe one example? Otherwise, there are no democracies in the region, and specifically none that have emerged from revolutions.

The monarchy wasn't good, but it was better. At least the people, namely women, had rights, and were nearly as oppressed as today.

No democracies in the region? Ever heard of Israel?

And Israel stands as an exception in the region, not the rule.

As for the monarchy: Yes, the people might have been less oppressed than the current regime. That doesn't mean they were not oppressed. Is oppression something we can measure quantitatively?

No - the late Shah was crap. Like, he was crap. Horrible.



This is very true. Yes, the Islamic Republic is crap. That does not mean whatever preceded it was good. Ideally, a democratic republic would be established, but this is the Middle-East. Such things happen once every century. Or never. I don't know. Basically, when was the last time we saw a good, proper democracy emerging out of the Middle-East from revolutions? If Tunisia is considered "Middle-East", that's maybe one example? Otherwise, there are no democracies in the region, and specifically none that have emerged from revolutions.

Lebanon is a democracy. A quite stable one given the many obstacles and problems it's faced with.

Frankly, Lebanon isn't the best example to give for a functioning democracy in the Middle-East, especially with Hezbollah's immense influence in the country. Israel is a much better example, without the civil wars, political instability and all sorts of miscellaneous problems. Again, however: It's one of the exceptions, and not the rule in the Middle-East.

Being antisemitic does not make one a nazi - like, every single country in Europe 150 years ago was antisemitic and you wouldn't call them nazis. National Socialism is an actual political ideology with set and defined doctrines, not just a fun word to slap onto anything or person you don't like.

I call them Nazis because they've made it pretty clear that they want to exterminate Jews. Don't like it? Too bad. I don't feel like debating semantics.

What is more, the logic of not supporting the toppling of the Iranian regime is present in - LITERALLY THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND CENTRAL ASIA!


Topple Iraq - ISIS happens
Supports Syrian rebels - Al'qaeda get's free training and supplies to set up strong hold in Syria
Topple Libya - Complete balkanization and endless civil war
Topple Afghanistan - Taliban are about to just take it back over

We have done this song and dance before, and it ALWAYS ends bad. Can you name a single middle eastern dictator whom the US has toppled and it ended well for everyone?

I'm not advocating military overthrow like a fucking invasion. I'm advocating supporting democratic protesters so that they can make the changes themselves.

Now, not to claim that Iran doesn't have some serious anti-Semite tendencies, but a real distinction exists between "Israel" and "Judaism".

[Thermodolia]

Americans, as you evidence, often have very poor knowledge about the world beyond their borders.

Don't generalize, my dude.


Link me a geography quiz and I shall prove my knowledge to you.

It's more than just geography. It's a knowledge of an other nations culture and system of government

[Kubumba Tribe]

Jews can live in Palestine if they want to, they shouldn't be expelled. But they shouldn't be doing the Zionist equivalent of Manifest Destiny.

[Janszoonia]

It still shows a desire to get rid of Israel as a state. It may not mean that Iran wants to kill all Jews, but they do still want to destroy the state of Israel, which is the Jewish homeland.

In the same sense that my homeland, as someone mostly descended from Germanic, is in the Ukraine. Only a very small number of the Jews currently living in Israel even have great-grandparents who lived in Palestine.

Yes, but there are many Americans who don't even have parents who were born in the U.S. Does that mean they are not American?

[Dooom35796821595]

I dont really care what it "proves to you", your assertion that Iran wants to exterminate jews is incredibly stupid.

Because they tell us they do.

Historically speaking, nations that attempt to exterminate the Jews don't end well. I doubt Iran wants to be vaporised, so their threats are about as serious as North Korea's.

[United Muscovite Nations]

In the same sense that my homeland, as someone mostly descended from Germanic, is in the Ukraine. Only a very small number of the Jews currently living in Israel even have great-grandparents who lived in Palestine.

Yes, but there are many Americans who don't even have parents who were born in the U.S. Does that mean they are not American?

It certainly means that it's not any more their "homeland" than it is that of the Indigenous. The Palestinians have lived their consistently for over a thousand years, they have more claim to the land than a bunch of immigrants who came with guns to kill them.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yes, but there are many Americans who don't even have parents who were born in the U.S. Does that mean they are not American?

It certainly means that it's not any more their "homeland" than it is that of the Indigenous. The Palestinians have lived their consistently for over a thousand years, they have more claim to the land than a bunch of immigrants who came with guns to kill them.

This reminds me a certain country in the 'New World' between Canada and Mexico...

[Kramania]

Because they tell us they do.

Funny, jews that actually live there don't feel the same.
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What their pet Jews think is irrelevant to me.

If they don't want people to think they want to exterminate Jews then perhaps they should stop saying it every six seconds.

[Otira]

This reminds me a certain country in the 'New World' between Canada and Mexico...

Including Canada and Mexico.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Funny, jews that actually live there don't feel the same.
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What their pet Jews think is irrelevant to me.

If they don't want people to think they want to exterminate Jews then perhaps they should stop saying it every six seconds.

That depends on what they say. Does Iran say "off with Israel" or "off with Jews"?

[United Muscovite Nations]

It certainly means that it's not any more their "homeland" than it is that of the Indigenous. The Palestinians have lived their consistently for over a thousand years, they have more claim to the land than a bunch of immigrants who came with guns to kill them.

This reminds me a certain country in the 'New World' between Canada and Mexico...

Yes, that is what I meant to imply. It's why I'm not bothered by immigrants coming to the US (because the current population is not the indigenous residents), but care considerably about immigrants displacing the native inhabitants of other places.

[Janszoonia]

This reminds me a certain country in the 'New World' between Canada and Mexico...

Including Canada and Mexico.

'Murica

Thinking all Canadians are native and that Mexican is a race.

[Kubumba Tribe]

This reminds me a certain country in the 'New World' between Canada and Mexico...

Including Canada and Mexico.

True. Pretty much every country in the Americas.

[MERIZoC]

Funny, jews that actually live there don't feel the same.
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What their pet Jews think is irrelevant to me.

If they don't want people to think they want to exterminate Jews then perhaps they should stop saying it every six seconds.

lol I love when people play the jewish card and then drop tons of antisemitism on you

They just aren't jewish enough for you, the white kid from America, who goes to Temple twice a year and really enjoys Hanukkah celebrations