Iran Protests

[Minoa]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42529576

The BBC reports that one of President Donald Trump’s tweet said that Iranians were "finally getting wise as to how their money and wealth is being stolen and squandered on terrorism".

However, I think the Iranians have been demanding change for some time … yet freedom of expression is severely repressed.

[Hatterleigh]

I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.

[Janszoonia]

I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

[Dahon]

I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

Just because they're still around doesn't mean they should be an option, especially after what happened nearly 40 years ago.

[Vistulange]

I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

No - the late Shah was crap. Like, he was crap. Horrible.

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

Just because they're still around doesn't mean they should be an option, especially after what happened nearly 40 years ago.

This is very true. Yes, the Islamic Republic is crap. That does not mean whatever preceded it was good. Ideally, a democratic republic would be established, but this is the Middle-East. Such things happen once every century. Or never. I don't know. Basically, when was the last time we saw a good, proper democracy emerging out of the Middle-East from revolutions? If Tunisia is considered "Middle-East", that's maybe one example? Otherwise, there are no democracies in the region, and specifically none that have emerged from revolutions.

[-Ocelot-]

I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.

It would take some effort.

Assad did many horrible things to his people. He sent snipers to kill protesters and then gassed many innocents with chemical weapons. He kept escalating the situation when people rebelled until he could no longer control them or the foreign jihadists that entered the country. At the end, he had to let Russia invade his own country to dissolve the parts of ISIS that hadn't been removed from US strikes already.

For Iran to go under a similar meltdown, it would require another Assad to murder his own people by the thousands. I don't believe this will happen again.

[MERIZoC]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42529576

The BBC reports that one of President Donald Trump’s tweet said that Iranians were "finally getting wise as to how their money and wealth is being stolen and squandered on terrorism".

In true American fashion, perfectly ironic, since the United States is helping to crush Iran’s economy.

[MERIZoC]

We thought they were the good guys. Did we really know if those protesters were totally good guys?

I'll take my chances. Pretty much anything would be better than the Islamonazi government they have. The Iranian people want democracy.

Islamonazi LMAO

Americans perceptions of the world are so great

[Krampusland]

I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

The Shah apparent would, to my memory, call for a referendum on the matter. There were other middle eastern monarchies which turned into dictatorships but never returned to being a monarchy.
It is doubtable that we'll see a new Shah appear.

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

No - the late Shah was crap. Like, he was crap. Horrible.

Just because they're still around doesn't mean they should be an option, especially after what happened nearly 40 years ago.

This is very true. Yes, the Islamic Republic is crap. That does not mean whatever preceded it was good. Ideally, a democratic republic would be established, but this is the Middle-East. Such things happen once every century. Or never. I don't know. Basically, when was the last time we saw a good, proper democracy emerging out of the Middle-East from revolutions? If Tunisia is considered "Middle-East", that's maybe one example? Otherwise, there are no democracies in the region, and specifically none that have emerged from revolutions.

The monarchy wasn't good, but it was better. At least the people, namely women, had rights, and were nearly as oppressed as today.

No democracies in the region? Ever heard of Israel?

[Genivaria]

Return of the Shah?
Reza Pahlavi, Crown Prince of Iran

Pahlavi is the founder and leader of the self-styled National Council of Iran, an exiled opposition group.[2] Pahlavi has emerged as a leading critic of Iran's Islamic Republic government, but lacks an organized following within Iran since there is no serious monarchist movement in Iran itself. He has also been described as having "little in common with the intellectuals and students who make up the core of the reform movement".[3]

On his website, Pahlavi has said that the state of Iran should become democratic and secular, and human rights should be respected. Whether the form of government would be that of a constitutional monarchy or a republic is something that he would like to leave up to the people of Iran.[10][11]

Pahlavi has used his high profile as an Iranian abroad to campaign for human rights, democracy and unity among Iranians in and outside Iran.[12] On his website he calls for a separation of religion and state in Iran and for free and fair elections "for all freedom-loving individuals and political ideologies". He exhorts all groups dedicated to a democratic agenda to work together for a democratic and secular Iranian government.[13]

According to Reza Bayegan, Pahlavi believes in the separation of religion from politics. However, he avoids the "Islam bashing" that Bayegan writes occurs in some circles of the Iranian opposition. Rather, he believes that religion has a humanizing and ethical role in shaping individual character and infusing society with greater purpose.[14]

In February 2011, after violence erupted in Tehran, Pahlavi said that Iran's youth were determined to get rid of an authoritarian government tainted by corruption and misrule in the hope of installing a democracy. "Fundamental and necessary change is long overdue for our region and we have a whole generation of young Egyptians and Iranians not willing to take no for an answer", he told The Daily Telegraph. "Democratisation is now an imperative that cannot be denied. It is only a matter of time before the whole region can transform itself."[15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Pahl ... ce_of_Iran

[Thermodolia]

I wouldn't mind the communist party of Iran taking power. At least the theocracts would be gone

[Kubumba Tribe]

I wouldn't mind the communist party of Iran taking power. At least the theocracts would be gone

Islamism > Communism.

[Dooom35796821595]

I wouldn't mind the communist party of Iran taking power. At least the theocracts would be gone

Because if there's one thing America hates more then theocratic autocracy, it's communists.

[Janszoonia]

I wouldn't mind the communist party of Iran taking power. At least the theocracts would be gone

Because if there's one thing America hates more then theocratic autocracy, it's communists.

I am hoping that either the liberals or the monarchists take over. It would be interesting to have Iran as the first anarchist country, however. (I know about Makhnovia and Rojava, but they have never existed outside of war.)

[Thermodolia]

I wouldn't mind the communist party of Iran taking power. At least the theocracts would be gone

Because if there's one thing America hates more then theocratic autocracy, it's communists.

As a yank I have no problem with the reds. It all depends on what benefits American and the Islamic republic isn't beneficial to American interests.

[Janszoonia]

Because if there's one thing America hates more then theocratic autocracy, it's communists.

As a yank I have no problem with the reds. It all depends on what benefits American and the Islamic republic isn't beneficial to American interests.

America is a symbol of capitalism to communists
Just like how it is a symbol of Western degeneracy to islamists.
(Who could blame them, this is one of our most popular songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs)

[Nakena]

Military Dictatorship by the Pasdaran is a more likely outcome most other mentioned scenarios.

[Nakena]

As a yank I have no problem with the reds. It all depends on what benefits American and the Islamic republic isn't beneficial to American interests.

America is a symbol of capitalism to communists
Just like how it is a symbol of Western degeneracy to islamists.
(Who could blame them, this is one of our most popular songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs)

Underneath the facade of the Islamic Regime, Iran is probably 10x more degenerated than you could ever possibly imagine. If the Regime is, unlikely as it is, going to fall, prepare for some very big surprises.

[Thermodolia]

As a yank I have no problem with the reds. It all depends on what benefits American and the Islamic republic isn't beneficial to American interests.

America is a symbol of capitalism to communists
Just like how it is a symbol of Western degeneracy to islamists.
(Who could blame them, this is one of our most popular songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs)

The communists are are 100x better than fascist theocrats

[Janszoonia]

America is a symbol of capitalism to communists
Just like how it is a symbol of Western degeneracy to islamists.
(Who could blame them, this is one of our most popular songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs)

The communists are are 100x better than fascist theocrats

Not to Americans, because both want to kill the West, just for different reasons.

[Nakena]

There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.

No - the late Shah was crap. Like, he was crap. Horrible.

Just because they're still around doesn't mean they should be an option, especially after what happened nearly 40 years ago.

This is very true. Yes, the Islamic Republic is crap. That does not mean whatever preceded it was good. Ideally, a democratic republic would be established, but this is the Middle-East. Such things happen once every century. Or never. I don't know. Basically, when was the last time we saw a good, proper democracy emerging out of the Middle-East from revolutions? If Tunisia is considered "Middle-East", that's maybe one example? Otherwise, there are no democracies in the region, and specifically none that have emerged from revolutions.

Lebanon is a democracy. A quite stable one given the many obstacles and problems it's faced with.

[Improved werpland]

I'll take my chances. Pretty much anything would be better than the Islamonazi government they have. The Iranian people want democracy.

Islamonazi LMAO

Americans perceptions of the world are so great

What about this American?

[The Democracy of Red Star]

Hi

[Kramania]

I know it is vocally and violently antisemitic, and is the world's largest state-sponsor of terrorism.

I'm not really buying into your scaremongering. You haven't given me a logical reason yet to not want regime change other than "it could be worse".

Being antisemitic does not make one a nazi - like, every single country in Europe 150 years ago was antisemitic and you wouldn't call them nazis. National Socialism is an actual political ideology with set and defined doctrines, not just a fun word to slap onto anything or person you don't like.

I call them Nazis because they've made it pretty clear that they want to exterminate Jews. Don't like it? Too bad. I don't feel like debating semantics.

What is more, the logic of not supporting the toppling of the Iranian regime is present in - LITERALLY THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND CENTRAL ASIA!


Topple Iraq - ISIS happens
Supports Syrian rebels - Al'qaeda get's free training and supplies to set up strong hold in Syria
Topple Libya - Complete balkanization and endless civil war
Topple Afghanistan - Taliban are about to just take it back over

We have done this song and dance before, and it ALWAYS ends bad. Can you name a single middle eastern dictator whom the US has toppled and it ended well for everyone?

I'm not advocating military overthrow like a fucking invasion. I'm advocating supporting democratic protesters so that they can make the changes themselves.

[Thermodolia]

The communists are are 100x better than fascist theocrats

Not to Americans, because both want to kill the West, just for different reasons.

I am an American