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by Minoa » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:42 am
by Hatterleigh » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:45 am
National News Network: William Botrum entering last days in office - President-elect Rood preparing or term
Overview of Hatterleigh | William Botrum, Hatterleigh's President | Hatterlese Embassy Program | I don't use NS stats.by Janszoonia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:27 am
Hatterleigh wrote:I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.
by Dahon » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:28 am
by Vistulange » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:35 am
by -Ocelot- » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:09 am
Hatterleigh wrote:I just fear it cause another middle east war and refugee crisis.
by MERIZoC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:14 am
Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42529576
The BBC reports that one of President Donald Trump’s tweet said that Iranians were "finally getting wise as to how their money and wealth is being stolen and squandered on terrorism".
by Krampusland » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:17 am
Vistulange wrote:Janszoonia wrote:There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.
No - the late Shah was crap. Like, he was crap. Horrible.Dahon wrote:
Just because they're still around doesn't mean they should be an option, especially after what happened nearly 40 years ago.
This is very true. Yes, the Islamic Republic is crap. That does not mean whatever preceded it was good. Ideally, a democratic republic would be established, but this is the Middle-East. Such things happen once every century. Or never. I don't know. Basically, when was the last time we saw a good, proper democracy emerging out of the Middle-East from revolutions? If Tunisia is considered "Middle-East", that's maybe one example? Otherwise, there are no democracies in the region, and specifically none that have emerged from revolutions.
by Genivaria » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:33 am
Pahlavi is the founder and leader of the self-styled National Council of Iran, an exiled opposition group.[2] Pahlavi has emerged as a leading critic of Iran's Islamic Republic government, but lacks an organized following within Iran since there is no serious monarchist movement in Iran itself. He has also been described as having "little in common with the intellectuals and students who make up the core of the reform movement".[3]
On his website, Pahlavi has said that the state of Iran should become democratic and secular, and human rights should be respected. Whether the form of government would be that of a constitutional monarchy or a republic is something that he would like to leave up to the people of Iran.[10][11]
Pahlavi has used his high profile as an Iranian abroad to campaign for human rights, democracy and unity among Iranians in and outside Iran.[12] On his website he calls for a separation of religion and state in Iran and for free and fair elections "for all freedom-loving individuals and political ideologies". He exhorts all groups dedicated to a democratic agenda to work together for a democratic and secular Iranian government.[13]
According to Reza Bayegan, Pahlavi believes in the separation of religion from politics. However, he avoids the "Islam bashing" that Bayegan writes occurs in some circles of the Iranian opposition. Rather, he believes that religion has a humanizing and ethical role in shaping individual character and infusing society with greater purpose.[14]
In February 2011, after violence erupted in Tehran, Pahlavi said that Iran's youth were determined to get rid of an authoritarian government tainted by corruption and misrule in the hope of installing a democracy. "Fundamental and necessary change is long overdue for our region and we have a whole generation of young Egyptians and Iranians not willing to take no for an answer", he told The Daily Telegraph. "Democratisation is now an imperative that cannot be denied. It is only a matter of time before the whole region can transform itself."[15
by Thermodolia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:48 am
by Kubumba Tribe » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:51 am
Thermodolia wrote:I wouldn't mind the communist party of Iran taking power. At least the theocracts would be gone
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Dooom35796821595 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:55 am
Thermodolia wrote:I wouldn't mind the communist party of Iran taking power. At least the theocracts would be gone
by Janszoonia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:05 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:07 am
by Janszoonia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:09 am
by Nakena » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:10 am
Janszoonia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:As a yank I have no problem with the reds. It all depends on what benefits American and the Islamic republic isn't beneficial to American interests.
America is a symbol of capitalism to communists
Just like how it is a symbol of Western degeneracy to islamists.
(Who could blame them, this is one of our most popular songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs)
by Thermodolia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:12 am
Janszoonia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:As a yank I have no problem with the reds. It all depends on what benefits American and the Islamic republic isn't beneficial to American interests.
America is a symbol of capitalism to communists
Just like how it is a symbol of Western degeneracy to islamists.
(Who could blame them, this is one of our most popular songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs)
by Janszoonia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:13 am
Thermodolia wrote:Janszoonia wrote:America is a symbol of capitalism to communists
Just like how it is a symbol of Western degeneracy to islamists.
(Who could blame them, this is one of our most popular songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs)
The communists are are 100x better than fascist theocrats
by Nakena » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:15 am
Vistulange wrote:Janszoonia wrote:There is a clear successor to Iran's leadership because the Pahlavi family still exists. They will probably create a liberal monarchy in Iran.
No - the late Shah was crap. Like, he was crap. Horrible.Dahon wrote:
Just because they're still around doesn't mean they should be an option, especially after what happened nearly 40 years ago.
This is very true. Yes, the Islamic Republic is crap. That does not mean whatever preceded it was good. Ideally, a democratic republic would be established, but this is the Middle-East. Such things happen once every century. Or never. I don't know. Basically, when was the last time we saw a good, proper democracy emerging out of the Middle-East from revolutions? If Tunisia is considered "Middle-East", that's maybe one example? Otherwise, there are no democracies in the region, and specifically none that have emerged from revolutions.
by Improved werpland » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:28 am
by The Democracy of Red Star » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:30 am
by Kramania » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:37 am
Republic of the Cristo wrote:Kramania wrote:I know it is vocally and violently antisemitic, and is the world's largest state-sponsor of terrorism.
I'm not really buying into your scaremongering. You haven't given me a logical reason yet to not want regime change other than "it could be worse".
Being antisemitic does not make one a nazi - like, every single country in Europe 150 years ago was antisemitic and you wouldn't call them nazis. National Socialism is an actual political ideology with set and defined doctrines, not just a fun word to slap onto anything or person you don't like.
What is more, the logic of not supporting the toppling of the Iranian regime is present in - LITERALLY THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND CENTRAL ASIA!
Topple Iraq - ISIS happens
Supports Syrian rebels - Al'qaeda get's free training and supplies to set up strong hold in Syria
Topple Libya - Complete balkanization and endless civil war
Topple Afghanistan - Taliban are about to just take it back over
We have done this song and dance before, and it ALWAYS ends bad. Can you name a single middle eastern dictator whom the US has toppled and it ended well for everyone?
by Thermodolia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:40 am
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