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Postby Jhman » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:23 am

Now many people here support homosexual activity, and some people dissent against it. The notion that homosexuals have rights separate to those of the rest of population needs to be discussed. There has been considerable amount of support given to gay movements and other sexual minorites, and the implications of such a movement, which gives gays the right to deviate from societal norms, needs to be discussed. There has been considerable amount of debate about it being a disease, disorder or illness and that needs be debated.

In my opinion homosexuality is a threat to society and to the state. The very act defies the notion of a modern family and even goes against the traditional Hindu joint family. As two men cannot procreate or raise a family and with recent attempts by fringe elements in society to legalize the act of two males marrying threatens the very elements that form a normal family. Gay couples would want to adopt kids, they would also raise a kid with not normal family values but their own degraded values, which are not conducive for rearing of children. These children would intern go to school and meet those children which raise by straight couples and over there homosexuals values and tenants could spread. With the spread of gay rights and gay movements, many of these people deviating from societial norms would like to engage in acts, which are only possible and naturally made for straight people. The act of child rearing becomes possible where children would grow up in situations which is abnormal. These children grow up recognizing that homosexuality is a normal practice and this could lead to a spread of homosexuality.

A society is meant for people to feel safe, men would not feel safe as people would be scared of people with such biases roaming around, legalization of homosexual activity would lead to situations of discomfort and sometimes safety for straight people. Imagine if the people with homosexual biases use swimming pools and other public facilities like public toilets and start openly display their feelings towards men. This situation would lead to great public discomfort. There would be blatant amount of increase in sexually transmitted illnesses as people which engage in such acts are generally prone to such diseases.

Many psychiatrists and public councilors regard homosexuality as psychiatric disorder and till very recently it was considered as a mental illness, and it should be continued be thought as a mental illness as whatever deviates the societal norm needs to be changed. If such practices continue than people in the longer run would not conform to the rule of the state and people could even ask for greater freedoms for marriages with animals or even worse kids. The reason that homosexuality is a crime in most of the world is simple because it threatens the notions of the state. Homosexual activity is detrimental to the rule of law and also threatens the norms. I argue that Homosexuality should be banned and remain illegal and also remain a mental illness

What is your view on homosexuality ?
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Postby What R Ye Doin in Muh Swaomp » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:25 am

I'm gay.

So, yeah, I do not agree with your thesis.
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Postby Sahsahlah » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:30 am

another homo here, and I just can't understand your ideas OP, I mean let's talk about the swimming pools, what about men & women then? should women feel unsafe when there is a straight man around? and beside that, we are not sex-driven monsters, we don't assault people, not more then straight people would do anyway, we're just human beings with different preferences
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Postby Galway-Dublin » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:30 am

Many psychiatrists and public councilors regard homosexuality as psychiatric disorder

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In all seriousness, the nature of this thread seems very bloggy, in addition to having tons of weasel words and sentences of the example I quoted.

To contribute to the thread before it's inevitably locked, though, as a Bi/Pan person, I can't help but feel that the enforcement of such neo-Buggery laws would be difficult for any state or government to maintain, especially considering that LGBT people will exist regardless of such laws' presence.

Further, even if it is a disorder, which you haven't cited or provided any evidence outside of a few vague weasel words, that's not reason enough to just enforce bans against it.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:33 am

Jhman wrote:Now many people here support homosexual activity, and some people dissent against it. The notion that homosexuals have rights separate to those of the rest of population needs to be discussed. There has been considerable amount of support given to gay movements and other sexual minorites, and the implications of such a movement, which gives gays the right to deviate from societal norms, needs to be discussed. There has been considerable amount of debate about it being a disease, disorder or illness and that needs be debated.

In my opinion homosexuality is a threat to society and to the state. The very act defies the notion of a modern family and even goes against the traditional Hindu joint family. As two men cannot procreate or raise a family and with recent attempts by fringe elements in society to legalize the act of two males marrying threatens the very elements that form a normal family. Gay couples would want to adopt kids, they would also raise a kid with not normal family values but their own degraded values, which are not conducive for rearing of children. These children would intern go to school and meet those children which raise by straight couples and over there homosexuals values and tenants could spread. With the spread of gay rights and gay movements, many of these people deviating from societial norms would like to engage in acts, which are only possible and naturally made for straight people. The act of child rearing becomes possible where children would grow up in situations which is abnormal. These children grow up recognizing that homosexuality is a normal practice and this could lead to a spread of homosexuality.

A society is meant for people to feel safe, men would not feel safe as people would be scared of people with such biases roaming around, legalization of homosexual activity would lead to situations of discomfort and sometimes safety for straight people. Imagine if the people with homosexual biases use swimming pools and other public facilities like public toilets and start openly display their feelings towards men. This situation would lead to great public discomfort. There would be blatant amount of increase in sexually transmitted illnesses as people which engage in such acts are generally prone to such diseases.

Many psychiatrists and public councilors regard homosexuality as psychiatric disorder and till very recently it was considered as a mental illness, and it should be continued be thought as a mental illness as whatever deviates the societal norm needs to be changed. If such practices continue than people in the longer run would not conform to the rule of the state and people could even ask for greater freedoms for marriages with animals or even worse kids. The reason that homosexuality is a crime in most of the world is simple because it threatens the notions of the state. Homosexual activity is detrimental to the rule of law and also threatens the norms. I argue that Homosexuality should be banned and remain illegal and also remain a mental illness

What is your view on homosexuality ?

My view on homosexuality is its none of your damn business what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home, and trying to legislate it is the worst kind of authoritarian bullshit.
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Postby Tinfect » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:33 am

>thread opens with uninformed homophobic ranting
I can see this thread lasting a while and fostering reasonable, fair conversation.
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Postby Jhman » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:34 am

Sahsahlah wrote:another homo here, and I just can't understand your ideas OP, I mean let's talk about the swimming pools, what about men & women then? should women feel unsafe when there is a straight man around? and beside that, we are not sex-driven monsters, we don't assault people, not more then straight people would do anyway, we're just human beings with different preferences

The reason why homosexuality is illegal or was illegal is that it threatens people

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Postby What R Ye Doin in Muh Swaomp » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:34 am

I like cock up my arse, and putting my cock in an arse, so there's nothing you can do to stop me. It doesn't threaten you, and I use proper protection so you wouldn't get naughty viruses from us. Not that I'd ever be attracted to a bigot like you.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:36 am

What R Ye Doin in Muh Swaomp wrote:I like cock up my arse, and putting my cock in an arse, so there's nothing you can do to stop me.

:rofl:

Jhman wrote:
Sahsahlah wrote:another homo here, and I just can't understand your ideas OP, I mean let's talk about the swimming pools, what about men & women then? should women feel unsafe when there is a straight man around? and beside that, we are not sex-driven monsters, we don't assault people, not more then straight people would do anyway, we're just human beings with different preferences

The reason why homosexuality is illegal or was illegal is that it threatens people

The hell it does.

Again. What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is not even close to anything that could be conceivably thought of as resembling any of your business.
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Postby Sahsahlah » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:36 am

Jhman wrote:The reason why homosexuality is illegal or was illegal is that it threatens people


in which way exactly? I don't think I'll be able to make you change your idea but I'm still curious to understand
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:37 am

Jhman wrote:
Sahsahlah wrote:another homo here, and I just can't understand your ideas OP, I mean let's talk about the swimming pools, what about men & women then? should women feel unsafe when there is a straight man around? and beside that, we are not sex-driven monsters, we don't assault people, not more then straight people would do anyway, we're just human beings with different preferences

The reason why homosexuality is illegal or was illegal is that it threatens people

My views on homosexuality are... complex, but it certainly doesn't immediately threaten anyone.
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Postby Volkmacht » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:38 am

Homosexuality is not a threat to society. Anyone who says otherwise is fearmongering. if a guy wants to have sex with another guy, it is none of my or your business.
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Postby Dazchan » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:38 am

Jhman wrote:
Sahsahlah wrote:another homo here, and I just can't understand your ideas OP, I mean let's talk about the swimming pools, what about men & women then? should women feel unsafe when there is a straight man around? and beside that, we are not sex-driven monsters, we don't assault people, not more then straight people would do anyway, we're just human beings with different preferences

The reason why homosexuality is illegal or was illegal is that it threatens people


How does it threaten people?
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Postby Grossteutschland » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:39 am

Homosexuality is voluntary, like every other sin. It can be treated. Best if you give your life to Jesus Christ.
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Postby Sahsahlah » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:39 am

Volkmacht wrote:Homosexuality is not a threat to society. Anyone who says otherwise is fearmongering. if a guy wants to have sex with another guy, it is none of my business.

indeed, the only threat to modern society is pineapple on pizza, let's get over it
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Postby Rattisorsat » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:41 am

What R Ye Doin in Muh Swaomp wrote:I like cock up my arse, and putting my cock in an arse, so there's nothing you can do to stop me. It doesn't threaten you, and I use proper protection so you wouldn't get naughty viruses from us. Not that I'd ever be attracted to a bigot like you.



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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:41 am

Sahsahlah wrote:
Volkmacht wrote:Homosexuality is not a threat to society. Anyone who says otherwise is fearmongering. if a guy wants to have sex with another guy, it is none of my business.

indeed, the only threat to modern society is pineapple on pizza, let's get over it

It's treason then
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:41 am

Grossteutschland wrote:Homosexuality is voluntary, like every other sin. It can be treated. Best if you give your life to Jesus Christ.

If you had any form of a good argument it was ruined by the last sentence. Treating homosexuality is something that has been surprisingly untested in a clinical setting but, if it is possible, religion isn't going to do it, and if it isn't, it still won't be effective because in this scenario sexuality is immutable.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:42 am

Grossteutschland wrote:Homosexuality is voluntary, like every other sin. It can be treated. Best if you give your life to Jesus Christ.


So when did you choose to be heterosexual?
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Volkmacht wrote:Homosexuality is not a threat to society. Anyone who says otherwise is fearmongering. if a guy wants to have sex with another guy, it is none of my business.

indeed, the only threat to modern society is pineapple on pizza, let's get over it

Ah, and let’s not forget the more pressing discussions such as, “Is water wet?” Truly a misguided world we’re living in!

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Jhman wrote:In my opinion homosexuality is a threat to society and to the state.

I think that if Indian society can't survive some rear action, it's not the greatest society.
Jhman wrote:IThe very act defies the notion of a modern family

Which is bad because...
Jhman wrote:Iand even goes against the traditional Hindu joint family.

Joint family? Are you all stoners in India?
#lamejokes
Jhman wrote:As two men cannot procreate or raise a family and with recent attempts by fringe elements in society to legalize the act of two males marrying threatens the very elements that form a normal family.

I don't know about yours, but my family does not feel threatened.
Jhman wrote:Gay couples would want to adopt kids, they would also raise a kid with not normal family values but their own degraded values,

"Degraded" = "different than mine".
Jhman wrote:which are not conducive for rearing of children.

Because?
Jhman wrote:IThese children would intern go to school and meet those children which raise by straight couples and over there homosexuals values and tenants could spread.

Homosexuals aren't really made heterosexual by heterosexuals..
Jhman wrote:IWith the spread of gay rights and gay movements, many of these people deviating from societial norms would like to engage in acts, which are only possible and naturally made for straight people.

Homosexuals will be really proud when you tell them they're regularily doing the impossible.
Jhman wrote:IThe act of child rearing becomes possible where children would grow up in situations which is abnormal. These children grow up recognizing that homosexuality is a normal practice

Which is bad because?
Jhman wrote:IA society is meant for people to feel safe, men would not feel safe as people would be scared of people with such biases roaming around, legalization of homosexual activity would lead to situations of discomfort and sometimes safety for straight people.

How do you know if the heterosexuals you see aren't rapists?
Jhman wrote:Imagine if the people with homosexual biases use swimming pools and other public facilities like public toilets

A public toilet can't be made worse.
Jhman wrote:Iand start openly display their feelings towards men.

And?
Jhman wrote:IThis situation would lead to great public discomfort.

That's the public's problem.
Jhman wrote:There would be blatant amount of increase in sexually transmitted illnesses as people which engage in such acts are generally prone to such diseases.

Source?

Jhman wrote:Many psychiatrists and public councilors regard homosexuality as psychiatric disorder and till very recently it was considered as a mental illness, and it should be continued be thought as a mental illness as whatever deviates the societal norm needs to be changed.

Including my interest in cool junkyard and classifieds finds?
Jhman wrote:If such practices continue than people in the longer run would not conform to the rule of the state and people could even ask for greater freedoms for marriages with animals or even worse kids.

Gimme some hill holder, 'cause the slope's getting slippery!
Jhman wrote:The reason that homosexuality is a crime in most of the world is simple because it threatens the notions of the state. Homosexual activity is detrimental to the rule of law

That law must suck.

Jhman wrote:What is your view on homosexuality ?

As long as both parties want it, what's wrong with it?
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Jhman wrote:snip


What country are you from?

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Nakena wrote:
Jhman wrote:snip


What country are you from?

India.

And he's not the worst of the place.
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Len Hyet wrote:
Sahsahlah wrote:indeed, the only threat to modern society is pineapple on pizza, let's get over it

It's treason then

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:46 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
What country are you from?

India.

And he's not the worst of the place.


At least he's not blaming all the world's problems on the existence of the British Empire.
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