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Postby The of Japan » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:25 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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In Freedomstan it's pretty common for you to get charged with murder or a fairly equivalent charge if you do something that directly leads to someones death iirc. IE if you convince a buddy to come with you and break into my house and I shoot and kill him it's not impossible that you'll be charged with murder or some such.

What you're thinking of is the felony murder rule, and as you might guess from the name it's about charging all the perpetrators of a felony with murder if someone dies in the course of their felony.

Making a prank call to 911 doesn't sound like it's likely to be a felony. Maybe it should be, depending on the content of the call, but I'm confident that cases don't get tried on what the law should be.

Telling someone online, someone who is threatening to call SWAT on you, that you live at 123 Fake Street is definitely not any kind of crime. There's no way there's a legal duty to give randos on the internet your real address if asked.

swatting is a crime
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:31 pm

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Ifreann wrote:What you're thinking of is the felony murder rule, and as you might guess from the name it's about charging all the perpetrators of a felony with murder if someone dies in the course of their felony.

Making a prank call to 911 doesn't sound like it's likely to be a felony. Maybe it should be, depending on the content of the call, but I'm confident that cases don't get tried on what the law should be.

Telling someone online, someone who is threatening to call SWAT on you, that you live at 123 Fake Street is definitely not any kind of crime. There's no way there's a legal duty to give randos on the internet your real address if asked.

swatting is a crime

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:36 pm

Liriena wrote:All these people in this thread going "blame the twat who called the cops, but please don't blame the sweet, poor, hardworking cops who shot an innocent man for opening his door" really activates my almonds. I mean, holy hell, what would take for y'all to actually admit that a cop should be criminally punished for killing an innocent person while duty?

Every single person involved in this other than the victim is a stupid fucking asshole responsible for the unjustifiable, unnecessary violent death of an innocent. Throw the book at every one of them if you have any decency.


Exactly. I hope they all get justice for the idiocy at play
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:37 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
The of Japan wrote:swatting is a crime

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Probably...just think about it....

According to wikipedia

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In the United States swatting can be prosecuted through federal criminal statutes:

"Conspiracy to retaliate against a witness, victim or informant"[19][20]
"Conspiracy to commit access device fraud and unauthorized access of a protected computer"[19][21]
An accomplice may be found guilty of "conspiring to obstruct justice"[22][23]
In California, pranksters bear the "full cost" of the response which can range up to $10,
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Postby The of Japan » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:44 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
The of Japan wrote:swatting is a crime

Source?

https://www.law.com/ctlawtribune/almID/ ... 1130234426
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:How long until the media use this to reinforce their "videogames cause violence" narrative"?

To be fair, as a gamer who's watched lots of people play CoD, I gotta say that those particular games seem to turn everyone into thoughtless, raging dicks.

This is why step 1 of every successful game of COD is to mute all the other players.


The Conez Imperium wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Source?


Probably...just think about it....

According to wikipedia

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In the United States swatting can be prosecuted through federal criminal statutes:

"Conspiracy to retaliate against a witness, victim or informant"[19][20]
"Conspiracy to commit access device fraud and unauthorized access of a protected computer"[19][21]
An accomplice may be found guilty of "conspiring to obstruct justice"[22][23]
In California, pranksters bear the "full cost" of the response which can range up to $10,

I feel like you may have missed s few digits at the end of that quote.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:52 pm

Insaeldor wrote:Police most likely have the number of the people who called in the swatting, trace it back, report it over to the responsible law enforcement entity and charge them as appropriate for the incident. Hopefully once people see that their are real life consiquences to these actions will see a reduction in this nonesense sooner rather then later.

They used advanced spoofing so they do not know for certain who it is.

If the suspect keeps his mouth shut he might walk. Given keeping your mouth shut is not a strong point among gamers. My guess is he said something like its not my fault I am not a cop blagh blahg.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:40 pm

Clear murder by the police. Arrest the officer and sentence him, and then do the same to the caller who phoned in the fake alert.

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Postby Otira » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:47 pm

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He almost certainly could be hit with murder for causing the whole thing, and absolutely should be.

So a prosecutor is going to have to convince a jury that the police are so trigger happy that making a false report to them is no different from pulling the trigger yourself.

That'll be interesting.


That would make for an interesting trial and movie afterwards about the whole thing. Starring Idris Elba as the lawyer.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:05 pm

They caught the swatter: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... ill-a-man/

I'm using that link, because it also has a 911 call. Throw the book at him. He needs jail time for a long, long time.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:58 pm

Somebody's going to praise him as a hero just to be edgy and trolltastic, it's inevitable unfortunately.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:46 pm

That was disturbing. Charge the swater and really look into why the cop killed the victim.......
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:02 am

The Black Forrest wrote:That was disturbing. Charge the swater and really look into why the cop killed the victim.......

Investigate a police shooting? Why do you hate our brave boys in blue?! Just take the hero officer's word that the suspect was going for a gun, probably.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:07 am

Hope they throw the cunt in a cell for a long long long time.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:That was disturbing. Charge the swater and really look into why the cop killed the victim.......

Investigate a police shooting? Why do you hate our brave boys in blue?! Just take the hero officer's word that the suspect was going for a gun, probably.


Blue? Since when do the super edgy SWAT teams wear blue? :lol:
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:09 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:That was disturbing. Charge the swater and really look into why the cop killed the victim.......

Investigate a police shooting? Why do you hate our brave boys in blue?! Just take the hero officer's word that the suspect was going for a gun, probably.

They look aweful in blue, need better colors.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:38 pm

I actually feel a bit bad for the cop. They where called into what they thought was a hostage situation where the claim was that the house was also doused in gas. In such a situation you are going to be on edge. Do I think they should look into whether that person should be on SWAT yes, am I going to blame them for the shorting, not right now. The person I do blame is the person who swatted in the first place. They I think deserve to be in jail for a very long time.
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Postby Zanera » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:44 pm

Neutraligon wrote:I actually feel a bit bad for the cop. They where called into what they thought was a hostage situation where the claim was that the house was also doused in gas. In such a situation you are going to be on edge. Do I think they should look into whether that person should be on SWAT yes, am I going to blame them for the shorting, not right now. The person I do blame is the person who swatted in the first place. They I think deserve to be in jail for a very long time.


I think they have a history of swatting too.
They fucked up really bad this time.
Don't think they'll be playing COD for a long time...hopefully. They need to just quit the controller.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:57 pm

Zanera wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I actually feel a bit bad for the cop. They where called into what they thought was a hostage situation where the claim was that the house was also doused in gas. In such a situation you are going to be on edge. Do I think they should look into whether that person should be on SWAT yes, am I going to blame them for the shorting, not right now. The person I do blame is the person who swatted in the first place. They I think deserve to be in jail for a very long time.


I think they have a history of swatting too.
They fucked up really bad this time.
Don't think they'll be playing COD for a long time...hopefully. They need to just quit the controller.

They have indeed swatted before. I think that companies should permanently ban players who swat, from any and all games they produce.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:05 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Zanera wrote:
I think they have a history of swatting too.
They fucked up really bad this time.
Don't think they'll be playing COD for a long time...hopefully. They need to just quit the controller.

They have indeed swatted before. I think that companies should permanently ban players who swat, from any and all games they produce.

Problem is that making a new account is often a very trivial concern. Some companies mitigate this with paywalls to force people to put their real identities into the system so that they can be barred/traced more reliably, but that has its own drawbacks as well. I totally agree that they should be banned, but in practice actually doing so can be especially difficult to do.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:09 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:They have indeed swatted before. I think that companies should permanently ban players who swat, from any and all games they produce.

Problem is that making a new account is often a very trivial concern. Some companies mitigate this with paywalls to force people to put their real identities into the system so that they can be barred/traced more reliably, but that has its own drawbacks as well. I totally agree that they should be banned, but in practice actually doing so can be especially difficult to do.

Oh I know. All we have to do is look at the dos here to know how hard it is.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:42 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Problem is that making a new account is often a very trivial concern. Some companies mitigate this with paywalls to force people to put their real identities into the system so that they can be barred/traced more reliably, but that has its own drawbacks as well. I totally agree that they should be banned, but in practice actually doing so can be especially difficult to do.

Oh I know. All we have to do is look at the dos here to know how hard it is.

I suspect if we required like a $5 fee to create a nation that'd eliminate a lot of problem behaviors, but it'd also kinda sorta maybe murder the playerbase and growth, so... :P
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Postby Zanera » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:46 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Oh I know. All we have to do is look at the dos here to know how hard it is.

I suspect if we required like a $5 fee to create a nation that'd eliminate a lot of problem behaviors, but it'd also kinda sorta maybe murder the playerbase and growth, so... :P


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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:52 pm

I just heard about this incident. The prank caller should get, at a minimum, life without parole.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:02 pm

Massachusetts representative Katherine Clark is sponsoring a bill to make swatting a federal crime, so that jurisdiction is not an issue when nailing douchebags who make swatting calls across state lines or even from another country.

New bill would crack down on 'swatting' hoaxes

Strengthening her case, Clark was personally swatted after introducing the bill.

Sponsor of federal anti-swatting bill targeted by swatting hoax
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