by Contamenesia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:56 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:18 pm
by Kenmoria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:20 pm
by Contamenesia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:20 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Because he doesn't care. At least, that's my god
by Kenmoria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:22 pm
by Contamenesia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:24 pm
Kenmoria wrote:There isn't a god. Assuming there is though, I would imagine evil exists to fulfill the purpose of free will. As humans are inherently flawed beings, a world were they have their own way will inevitable have a great deal of evil and suffering. For there to be no evil there would need to be no creatures capable of creating evil, which woudl mean either no humanity, or humanity without free will. God still doesn't exist though.
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:25 pm
by Contamenesia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:26 pm
by Free Missouri » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:26 pm
by Janszoonia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:28 pm
Free Missouri wrote:"Aritifical" or human evil exists because we have free will, and for there to be free will, humankind must be able to choose evil. Hence why despite all that was there, Adam and Eve still had the choice to eat of the apple.
"Natural" evil (or that evil which the natural world wreaks on us) exists because we separated ourselves and our world from God by choosing evil, and because we are fallen the world has fallen with us.
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:28 pm
Contamenesia wrote:Kenmoria wrote:Why isn't it a factor? An apathetic god would allow evil to exist simply because it doesn't care enough to avert it.
This isn't a factor because it is based on an assumption that the existence of something is solely based on the mood and emotions of such a being. An Assumption that has little evidence to support it.
by Elvatia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:29 pm
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by Alvecia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:30 pm
Epicurus wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
by Genivaria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:34 pm
Free Missouri wrote:"Aritifical" or human evil exists because we have free will, and for there to be free will, humankind must be able to choose evil. Hence why despite all that was there, Adam and Eve still had the choice to eat of the apple.
"Natural" evil (or that evil which the natural world wreaks on us) exists because we separated ourselves and our world from God by choosing evil, and because we are fallen the world has fallen with us.
by Kenmoria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:40 pm
Alvecia wrote:Commonly know as the Problem of Evil.
Goes quite far back. There's quite famous quote from an ancient Greek philosopher on the subject:Epicurus wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Ayepar wrote:Because god IS evil, obviously , duh
by War Gears » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:43 pm
These heavenly beings tainted with attachment and passion; having women and weapons by their side, favour some and disfavour some; Such heavenly beings should not be worshipped by those who desire emancipation.
by Contamenesia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:43 pm
Kenmoria wrote:Alvecia wrote:Commonly know as the Problem of Evil.
Goes quite far back. There's quite famous quote from an ancient Greek philosopher on the subject:
Assuming we take the bible literally, the Christian god is omnipotent and thus able. Option 3 is inconsistent with the fact that evil exists, and options 1 & 4 cannot happen as the god has already been proven to be able. We are forced to then conclude that if a god exists, he must follow option 2 and therefore:Ayepar wrote:Because god IS evil, obviously , duh
by Genivaria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:43 pm
Kenmoria wrote:Alvecia wrote:Commonly know as the Problem of Evil.
Goes quite far back. There's quite famous quote from an ancient Greek philosopher on the subject:
Assuming we take the bible literally, the Christian god is omnipotent and thus able. Option 3 is inconsistent with the fact that evil exists, and options 1 & 4 cannot happen as the god has already been proven to be able. We are forced to then conclude that if a god exists, he must follow option 2 and therefore:Ayepar wrote:Because god IS evil, obviously , duh
by Kenmoria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:44 pm
Contamenesia wrote:Kenmoria wrote:Assuming we take the bible literally, the Christian god is omnipotent and thus able. Option 3 is inconsistent with the fact that evil exists, and options 1 & 4 cannot happen as the god has already been proven to be able. We are forced to then conclude that if a god exists, he must follow option 2 and therefore:
Can one define one who writes the rules as a breaker of the rules?
by Contamenesia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:45 pm
by Genivaria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:46 pm
Contamenesia wrote:Kenmoria wrote:Assuming we take the bible literally, the Christian god is omnipotent and thus able. Option 3 is inconsistent with the fact that evil exists, and options 1 & 4 cannot happen as the god has already been proven to be able. We are forced to then conclude that if a god exists, he must follow option 2 and therefore:
Can one define one who writes the rules as a breaker of the rules?
by Janszoonia » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:46 pm
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