Should we ban pornography?

[Ethel mermania]

Porn should definitely be a part of sex ed. Specifically, students should be taught about how porn is fundamentally a show put on for the viewers and thus rather different from actual sex in a variety of ways.

Oh my god, seriously. I had a "Psychology of Human Sexuality" course in college (fascinating stuff, highly recommended, btw,) and the unit on pornography could basically be summed up as "This is not representative of real ANYTHING. Porn actors are not representative of realistic penis size, endurance, positioning, etc etc. A lot of people end up with all sorts of confidence and performance issues because with crappy sex-ed a lot of people wind up looking to porn for sexual guidance, which is about as effective/accurate as using WWE as a how-to for real hand-to-hand combat."

Fuck, I knew I was doing something wrong.

[Wallenburg]

Oh my god, seriously. I had a "Psychology of Human Sexuality" course in college (fascinating stuff, highly recommended, btw,) and the unit on pornography could basically be summed up as "This is not representative of real ANYTHING. Porn actors are not representative of realistic penis size, endurance, positioning, etc etc. A lot of people end up with all sorts of confidence and performance issues because with crappy sex-ed a lot of people wind up looking to porn for sexual guidance, which is about as effective/accurate as using WWE as a how-to for real hand-to-hand combat."

Fuck, I knew I was doing something wrong.

Are you talking about sex or hand-to-hand combat?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Fuck, I knew I was doing something wrong.

Are you talking about sex or hand-to-hand combat?

They're the same thin really

[Fartsniffage]

Are you talking about sex or hand-to-hand combat?

They're the same thin really

.....well how you doing?

[Internationalist Bastard]

They're the same thin really

.....well how you doing?

Be careful. I always hide a knife in both cases

[Fartsniffage]

.....well how you doing?

Be careful. I always hide a knife in both cases

Well now you're just trying to turn me on.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Be careful. I always hide a knife in both cases

Well now you're just trying to turn me on.

I try

[New haven america]

Are you talking about sex or hand-to-hand combat?

They're the same thin really

TlhIngan chenmoH.

[Kiger]

What you're telling me is that mass murder, theft, and deception is horrrible for humans but fine for God? That's textbook tyranny. To believe that the Christian God has perfect morality is to believe that tyranny is perfectly fine as long as the tyrant says it's okay.

God is the definition of morality and commits no evil. Arguing against him as a fallible human is laughable.

God commits no evil? If that's a fact then I'm the queen of England. And I'm a guy. If God is real, and in this case he isn't proven to be real so lets just say he is, and he created EVERYTHING as per Genesis, that means he also de facto created evil, he created suffering. Mate I don't get what goes trough your tiny mind with this God bullshit, and how you're so sure there's only one, you DON'T KNOW IF HE'S REAL. THERE'S 0, ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE IS, but hey since you believe in a specific religion out of about 4,200 and claim that the god you believe in is real, I guess your god is real then huh? But then again, every other religion claims THEIR god is real... so which is the real one? Or is none at all?

[Fartsniffage]

God is the definition of morality and commits no evil. Arguing against him as a fallible human is laughable.

God commits no evil? If that's a fact then I'm the queen of England. And I'm a guy. If God is real, and in this case he isn't proven to be real so lets just say he is, and he created EVERYTHING as per Genesis, that means he also de facto created evil, he created suffering. Mate I don't get what goes trough your tiny mind with this God bullshit, and how you're so sure there's only one, you DON'T KNOW IF HE'S REAL. THERE'S 0, ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE IS, but hey since you believe in a specific religion out of about 4,200 and claim that the god you believe in is real, I guess your god is real then huh? But then again, every other religion claims THEIR god is real... so which is the real one? Or is none at all?

Odin says you need to chill a bit.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

They're the same thin really

TlhIngan chenmoH.

...?

[United Muscovite Nations]

There is only one God and frankly it's ridiculous for a human to act as if they understand morality better than the creator and definition of morality. It's like arguing to the universe "but 2+2 isn't 4, I know it!"


Objective morality does not mean that everyone has the same beliefs. It means that there is one truth regardless of what people believe.


Again, objective morality does not mean that everyone (or every time period, or every culture) has the same beliefs. Rather, there there are moral truths regardless of those beliefs. Morality is not manmade. Are you willing to argue that child rape and murder is not worse than selflessly sacrificing one's life to save an innocent person?

Secondly, quantifying harm or benefit does not constitute morality. In a world without objective morality, there is no reason that humans should have any moral worth - therefore, harming or helping them has no more moral significance than breaking a rock.


Excellent response to the above argument.

What you're telling me is that mass murder, theft, and deception is horrrible for humans but fine for God? That's textbook tyranny. To believe that the Christian God has perfect morality is to believe that tyranny is perfectly fine as long as the tyrant says it's okay.

We exist to serve God, so not only is God ruling over us perfectly fine, it's absolutely desirable.

[Mallorea and Riva]

God is the definition of morality and commits no evil. Arguing against him as a fallible human is laughable.

God commits no evil? If that's a fact then I'm the queen of England. And I'm a guy. If God is real, and in this case he isn't proven to be real so lets just say he is, and he created EVERYTHING as per Genesis, that means he also de facto created evil, he created suffering. Mate I don't get what goes trough your tiny mind with this God bullshit, and how you're so sure there's only one, you DON'T KNOW IF HE'S REAL. THERE'S 0, ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE IS, but hey since you believe in a specific religion out of about 4,200 and claim that the god you believe in is real, I guess your god is real then huh? But then again, every other religion claims THEIR god is real... so which is the real one? Or is none at all?

Attack the post, not the poster. The "tiny mind" line was unnecessary.

[Wallenburg]

Are you talking about sex or hand-to-hand combat?

They're the same thin really

Well, now we know what kind of porn you're watching.

They're the same thin really

TlhIngan chenmoH.

Sex is always better in the original Klingon.

[Kiger]

What you're telling me is that mass murder, theft, and deception is horrrible for humans but fine for God? That's textbook tyranny. To believe that the Christian God has perfect morality is to believe that tyranny is perfectly fine as long as the tyrant says it's okay.

We exist to serve God, so not only is God ruling over us perfectly fine, it's absolutely desirable.

No we don't we exist to procreate and create another generation of humans and they will do the same if they choose to, we exist to further the line of homo sapiens.

[Alvecia]

We exist to serve God, so not only is God ruling over us perfectly fine, it's absolutely desirable.

No we don't we exist to procreate and create another generation of humans and they will do the same if they choose to, we exist to further the line of homo sapiens.

We don't exist to do anything. We just exist.

[Socialist Czechia]

Really.
But why to end with porno?

Try to ban beer. Or tobacco.

See what happens.

[Thermodolia]

Really.
But why to end with porno?

Try to ban beer. Or tobacco.

See what happens.

I will use my second amendment rights to protect my porn and beer

[Katganistan]

So? Fallible human opinions are irrelevant to moral fact.

But that still equates to: "God told me that something is immoral, and that moral code applies to everyone, even if they don't believe in said God. It is right to force that morality on everyone, as their opinions are fallible, so their opinions don't matter really. All that matters is that we obey the word of God, whose existence I cannot prove, but I do not need to, because human opinions are fallible, except for the opinion that I know God exists and I know what he wants". Do you not see one tiny little problem with that?

Logic doesn't matter. God said so. God also said He is infallible. The Bible, written by fallible humans who put their political and social biases in it and cut bits that they didn't agree with, said so too.

It's the equivalent of, "I don't drink soda because my mommy told me I'll immediately die if I do." Even though demonstrably, that is an out and out falsehood.

They are not wrong about the taxonomy of both animals. Your disdain is noted, and treated as irrelevant.

So when someone asks you about the most important thing about a certain farm animal, they tell you it's name in Latin. Not that it's smarter than a donkey and more resilient than a horse, not that it is almost universally infertile (which was the point here), not even what it looks like or what noise it makes. This is the basis of all IQ tests now, categorisation, it's a Western bourgeois rationalist obsession. I don't know if that seems stupid to you, but it's useless as tits on a bull to me.

I also don't know why you're trawling back a couple of days to a conversation that didn't involve you to tell me my disdain is irrelevant. Surely if it was so it would not have been given so much attention.

It's an idiotic attitude today that knowledge and education is useless. Here you go on a rip about it when all I said was that they were not wrong about what they said. They weren't. You said mules were sterile. They are, MOSTLY. So you were right in part, and wrong in part, and making snide comments about someone else's knowledge.

Now you're pitching a fit about someone observing that person wasn't wrong.

Maybe the problem's not my post.

And forgive me for actually reading the whole thread and not just jumping in at the end to make a comment that's been made six hundred times before. I know that's kind of out-dated and old-fashioned. I mean, seriously, knowing what happened in the topic before making a comment. Responding to earlier points. What next, actually being on topic? MADNESS!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Really.
But why to end with porno?

Try to ban beer. Or tobacco.

See what happens.

I will use my second amendment rights to protect my porn and beer

Beer is nasty and barbaric and should be done away with tbh

[Katganistan]

No they both need degrees before that can happen.

Exactly. Which is why I am allowed to do philosophy-based sexual fantasy roleplay. Guys and gals really dig it when I do The Thinker pose...

Oh baby, think for me!

God is the definition of morality and commits no evil. Arguing against him as a fallible human is laughable.

God commits no evil? If that's a fact then I'm the queen of England. And I'm a guy. If God is real, and in this case he isn't proven to be real so lets just say he is, and he created EVERYTHING as per Genesis, that means he also de facto created evil, he created suffering. Mate I don't get what goes trough your tiny mind with this God bullshit, and how you're so sure there's only one, you DON'T KNOW IF HE'S REAL. THERE'S 0, ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE IS, but hey since you believe in a specific religion out of about 4,200 and claim that the god you believe in is real, I guess your god is real then huh? But then again, every other religion claims THEIR god is real... so which is the real one? Or is none at all?

I dunno, drowning everything on the face of the Earth except one boatload seems pretty evil. I mean, really, can animals even sin? Did every single person but Moses' family sin?

The plagues of Egypt affected more than just the Pharoah.

Slaughtering all the firstborn of Egypt: pretty sure that new mothers had jack to do with the politics, let alone animals who had no part in harming the Jews.

So, yeah, please.

TlhIngan chenmoH.

...?

Pfft, you don't understand Klingon?

[Bakery Hill]

So when someone asks you about the most important thing about a certain farm animal, they tell you it's name in Latin. Not that it's smarter than a donkey and more resilient than a horse, not that it is almost universally infertile (which was the point here), not even what it looks like or what noise it makes. This is the basis of all IQ tests now, categorisation, it's a Western bourgeois rationalist obsession. I don't know if that seems stupid to you, but it's useless as tits on a bull to me.

I also don't know why you're trawling back a couple of days to a conversation that didn't involve you to tell me my disdain is irrelevant. Surely if it was so it would not have been given so much attention.

It's an idiotic attitude today that knowledge and education is useless. Here you go on a rip about it when all I said was that they were not wrong about what they said. They weren't. You said mules were sterile. They are, MOSTLY. So you were right in part, and wrong in part, and making snide comments about someone else's knowledge.

How was I saying that knowledge and education was useless? I was saying instead that some knowledge is more useful than others, and we tend now to prioritise the wrong sort of knowledge.

Now you're pitching a fit about someone observing that person wasn't wrong.

Maybe the problem's not my post.

And forgive me for actually reading the whole thread and not just jumping in at the end to make a comment that's been made six hundred times before. I know that's kind of out-dated and old-fashioned. I mean, seriously, knowing what happened in the topic before making a comment. Responding to earlier points. What next, actually being on topic? MADNESS!

Then why did you make it a problem again? It was a minor point made several days, about mules, that was no longer being pursued. Did I offend you in some way?

[Ifreann]

I will use my second amendment rights to protect my porn and beer

Beer is nasty and barbaric and should be done away with tbh

Heresy. Beer is quite possibly the first thing we invented after agriculture. Without beer we wouldn't have civilisation.

[Bakery Hill]

Beer is nasty and barbaric and should be done away with tbh

Heresy. Beer is quite possibly the first thing we invented after agriculture. Without beer we wouldn't have civilisation.

It's the ultimate incentive for doing any work.

[New Dumnezeu]

I guess it's fine to just let adults watch porn at their own risk, but we can't let children watch porn. Watching porn as a kid can make you kind of addicted to porn, and that's not good.

And you have a source for this claim?

Ugh, my friends/classmates say they were watching porn since they were kids, and this kind of made them addicted to it. I have no actual source for it, sorry. :/