Should we ban pornography?

[Greater Germany]

This is still going? Why do people care so much about people using their hands as a date?

It's in the nature of people to care what other people are doing with regards to almost anything. It's why we have backseat drivers and restaurant patrons who know more than chefs, for example.

[Ifreann]

It is degenerate and mentally unhealthy, but people should have freedom to make their own choices as long as they're not hurting others. So I voted no, and that people should be educated on the effects of porn.

Porn should definitely be a part of sex ed. Specifically, students should be taught about how porn is fundamentally a show put on for the viewers and thus rather different from actual sex in a variety of ways.

[Katganistan]

The myths you derive spiritual guidance from provide your morality, they do not provide the morality for people who prefer a different set of myths from which they derive their spiritual guidance, nor do they provide the morality for people who do not require any form of spiritual guidance.]

So no, "God says so" is still not a valid argument.

As before, only from a perspective of subjective morality. If you believe that each person has their own individual morality, then you do not believe that one person's spiritual guidance applies to others. If one believes in objective morality, they believe that their spiritual guidance applies to all, regardless of belief.

In essence, "God says so" is not a valid argument if you already believe "God says so" is not a valid argument, and it is essentially the same from the other side as well. Taking a position on whether "God says so" is valid is just that-showing one's already-held position.

The First Amendment disagrees.

[War Gears]

It is degenerate and mentally unhealthy, but people should have freedom to make their own choices as long as they're not hurting others. So I voted no, and that people should be educated on the effects of porn.

Porn should definitely be a part of sex ed. Specifically, students should be taught about how porn is fundamentally a show put on for the viewers and thus rather different from actual sex in a variety of ways.

That... actually sounds 100% reasonable. Good point.

[Greater Germany]

It is degenerate and mentally unhealthy, but people should have freedom to make their own choices as long as they're not hurting others. So I voted no, and that people should be educated on the effects of porn.

Porn should definitely be a part of sex ed. Specifically, students should be taught about how porn is fundamentally a show put on for the viewers and thus rather different from actual sex in a variety of ways.

I agree, that's an important distinction young people learning about sex should know. Some of us might take the distinction for granted, but developing minds don't always grasp it. Thank you, Ifreann.

[Katganistan]

The myths you derive spiritual guidance from provide your morality, they do not provide the morality for people who prefer a different set of myths from which they derive their spiritual guidance, nor do they provide the morality for people who do not require any form of spiritual guidance.]

So no, "God says so" is still not a valid argument.

There is no "your morality" or "my morality" because morality is objective. There is only one morality, the moral law from God, regardless of human opinions.

As before, only from a perspective of subjective morality. If you believe that each person has their own individual morality, then you do not believe that one person's spiritual guidance applies to others. If one believes in objective morality, they believe that their spiritual guidance applies to all, regardless of belief.

In essence, "God says so" is not a valid argument if you already believe "God says so" is not a valid argument, and it is essentially the same from the other side as well. Taking a position on whether "God says so" is valid is just that-showing one's already-held position.

Agreed with this response to Reploid. Morality is not subjective.

Nope. "God said so" still isn't a valid argument, which forms the basis of the universal morality you have in mind. You cannot apply your own religion-based morality on everyone, including people who do not follow said religion. Your morality is invalid according to people who do not hold the same religious beliefs as you, as believers of other faiths or no faith just see a big empty nothing in the place you are pointing to as justification for your morality. So yes, morality very much is relative.

Again, morality is objective and it already applies to all people, regardless of whether they want it or recognize it or not.

My saying the moon is a giant blow-up doll doesn't make it so.
Neither does your insisting that morality is objective make IT so.

[Guelder]

Pornography shouldn't be banned, but Rape should be banned, although i am Christian i believe that everyone should have the right to watch pornography if they want to

[The New California Republic]

This is still going? Why do people care so much about people using their hands as a date?

Well, some people think that using visual aids to assist in the process is wrong, while others think that it is OK. Repeat the same thing several hundred times, add a sprinkle of homophobia here and there and voila, you magically have a thread that has surpassed the 30 page mark.

[Jabberwocky]

Can't legislate morality

[Thermodolia]

Easy. Civil unions for everyone. Marriage is not something the state recognizes and is only something religious institutions carry out.

Basically under this plan if you get married in a church religious ceremony you won't be married in the eyes of the state but must go down to the local court to make it official

We already have this. The only difference is that you've started using a different name for it for no reason at all.

I think you misunderstood me. I am not advocating for anything of the sort I'm just saying that it's possible to separate "marriage" from the state to appease those who don't like the state having a say in marriage

[Finswedeway]

Have you heard of a little thing called personal agency? Let people make their own decisions.

[Fartsniffage]

Can't legislate morality

Of course you can. That's basically all laws are, legislated morality.

[Alvecia]

We already have this. The only difference is that you've started using a different name for it for no reason at all.

I think you misunderstood me. I am not advocating for anything of the sort I'm just saying that it's possible to separate "marriage" from the state to appease those who don't like the state having a say in marriage

I mean, marriage isn't something just religious institutions arry out though. My cousin got married, no religion involved. There are two distinct parts to a marriage, the ceremony and the state recognition, but I don't see why we should change the way it works just cause some religious people are throwing a hissy fit trying to claim marriage as "their word".

[Thermodolia]

Pornography shouldn't be banned, but Rape should be banned, although i am Christian i believe that everyone should have the right to watch pornography if they want to

Um rape is already illegal

[Salandriagado]

Can't legislate morality

Of course you can. That's basically all laws are, legislated morality.

Except that in this case, you just literally can't enforce it.

[Thermodolia]

I think you misunderstood me. I am not advocating for anything of the sort I'm just saying that it's possible to separate "marriage" from the state to appease those who don't like the state having a say in marriage

I mean, marriage isn't something just religious institutions arry out though. My cousin got married, no religion involved.

Yes I'm well aware. I wasn't advocating for nor was I saying that marriage must have a religious connection.

There are two distinct parts to a marriage, the ceremony and the state recognition, but I don't see why we should change the way it works just cause some religious people are throwing a hissy fit trying to claim marriage as "their word".

I don't see why either. Someone just asked how it would be possible to separate marriage from the state and I gave an example

[Greater Germany]

Of course you can. That's basically all laws are, legislated morality.

Except that in this case, you just literally can't enforce it.

Not about enforcing it, it's about feeling good that such a law is on the books. And everyone who supports it can look at it, feel good about it, and share their good feelings with another about how that a law.

Sort of "moral porn", if I may.

[Thermodolia]

Of course you can. That's basically all laws are, legislated morality.

Except that in this case, you just literally can't enforce it.

As the song from Avenue Q says "the Internet is for porn"

[Kenmoria]

Pornography shouldn't be banned, but Rape should be banned, although i am Christian i believe that everyone should have the right to watch pornography if they want to

I'm almost certain nobody, not even the darkest murks of NSG, argues for the legalisation of rape. I completely accept your points on pornography though.

[Reploid Productions]

It is degenerate and mentally unhealthy, but people should have freedom to make their own choices as long as they're not hurting others. So I voted no, and that people should be educated on the effects of porn.

Porn should definitely be a part of sex ed. Specifically, students should be taught about how porn is fundamentally a show put on for the viewers and thus rather different from actual sex in a variety of ways.

Oh my god, seriously. I had a "Psychology of Human Sexuality" course in college (fascinating stuff, highly recommended, btw,) and the unit on pornography could basically be summed up as "This is not representative of real ANYTHING. Porn actors are not representative of realistic penis size, endurance, positioning, etc etc. A lot of people end up with all sorts of confidence and performance issues because with crappy sex-ed a lot of people wind up looking to porn for sexual guidance, which is about as effective/accurate as using WWE as a how-to for real hand-to-hand combat."

[The New California Republic]

A lot of people end up with all sorts of confidence and performance issues because with crappy sex-ed a lot of people wind up looking to porn for sexual guidance, which is about as effective/accurate as using WWE as a how-to for real hand-to-hand combat."

Some of the characters in WWE, on the other hand, can be used as a substitute for porn in a pinch, so they are not completely useless!

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Porn should definitely be a part of sex ed. Specifically, students should be taught about how porn is fundamentally a show put on for the viewers and thus rather different from actual sex in a variety of ways.

Oh my god, seriously. I had a "Psychology of Human Sexuality" course in college (fascinating stuff, highly recommended, btw,) and the unit on pornography could basically be summed up as "This is not representative of real ANYTHING. Porn actors are not representative of realistic penis size, endurance, positioning, etc etc. A lot of people end up with all sorts of confidence and performance issues because with crappy sex-ed a lot of people wind up looking to porn for sexual guidance, which is about as effective/accurate as using WWE as a how-to for real hand-to-hand combat."

The question then becomes why people find porn more convincing than WWE.

[Alvecia]

Oh my god, seriously. I had a "Psychology of Human Sexuality" course in college (fascinating stuff, highly recommended, btw,) and the unit on pornography could basically be summed up as "This is not representative of real ANYTHING. Porn actors are not representative of realistic penis size, endurance, positioning, etc etc. A lot of people end up with all sorts of confidence and performance issues because with crappy sex-ed a lot of people wind up looking to porn for sexual guidance, which is about as effective/accurate as using WWE as a how-to for real hand-to-hand combat."

The question then becomes why people find porn more convincing than WWE.

I'm sure many kids think WWE is real

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

The question then becomes why people find porn more convincing than WWE.

I'm sure many kids think WWE is real

If they're THAT impressionable, they shouldn't be allowed using the Internet at all. Be glad it ended with them finding porn and not with them finding ISIS propaganda.

[Alvecia]

I'm sure many kids think WWE is real

If they're THAT impressionable, they shouldn't be allowed using the Internet at all. Be glad it ended with them finding porn and not with them finding ISIS propaganda.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure some kids do.