Should we ban pornography?

[Aillyria]

Even if pornography is banned, these lecherous degenerates will just switch to other things to satiate their sinful urges. That's why we should preemptively ban lingerie and swimsuit modeling, nudity, erotic art, erotic literature, storytelling, drawing, and imagination.

ok thats going a bit far

how about finding these degenerates AND KILLING THEM ON SITE that way people would be far to afraid to ever go around and rape again, And while we are at why not show the honorable slaying on the screen.

also it seems that you might not be pure as well.......

I think they're being sarcastic.......

But I agree with it nonetheless, save for the whole ban on storytelling, drawing (unless it's sexual), and imagination.

[Zanera]

Nearly every politician there is shouldn't be seen naked in any capacity.

Without even looking, I can guarantee you that most every major political figure has been either drawn in a pornographic artwork, written about in an erotica real-person fanfic, and/or shipped with their political rivals in one or both of those. >_<

The 2016 presidential race combined with A New Hope poster.

[Entronium]

Sarcastic? AHAHAHAHAHAHA

sadly for you no I was not being sarcastic

[Ifreann]

I'm sure it's not. Is hate speech simply speaking ill of someone?

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Bizarre to only protect political speech.

Loophole found! Make porn about political figures and/or their policies. Then it's political speech and thus safe! (And oh god, the mental images such a notion brings to mind. Almost as bad as some of the crap I've had to clean up from spammers on NS.)

[Zanera]

People should swim in six layers of clothes just to make sure. If they drown, they were witches anyway.

I took a survival swimming course which involved being pushed into a pool while wearing 3 layers of heavy clothing. After that experience, I'd rather skinny dip.

You'll gain the strength given from swimming to be as strong and muscle-y as your ancestors, and you'll be able to hold your breath for tens of minutes at a time. Don't you want to be ripped like your ancestors?

People should swim in six layers of clothes just to make sure. If they drown, they were witches anyway.



Nearly every politician there is shouldn't be seen naked in any capacity.

Melina was a porn star, and hillary as a kid was very doable. Maybe make it a requirement.

Is Melania a politician, or just married to one? I also said 'Nearly every' just in case there was a politician somewhere that wouldn't look bad naked.

I don't find kids doable, sorry.

[Ethel mermania]

Loophole found! Make porn about political figures and/or their policies. Then it's political speech and thus safe! (And oh god, the mental images such a notion brings to mind. Almost as bad as some of the crap I've had to clean up from spammers on NS.)

What has been seen can not been unseen.

[Zanera]

What has been seen can not been unseen.

Teaser Maynot disturbs me deeply in the bad way.

[Reploid Productions]

(Image)

What has been seen can not been unseen.

.... Goddamnit Internet.

[Topoliani]

Loophole found! Make porn about political figures and/or their policies. Then it's political speech and thus safe! (And oh god, the mental images such a notion brings to mind. Almost as bad as some of the crap I've had to clean up from spammers on NS.)

[Ethel mermania]

I took a survival swimming course which involved being pushed into a pool while wearing 3 layers of heavy clothing. After that experience, I'd rather skinny dip.

You'll gain the strength given from swimming to be as strong and muscle-y as your ancestors, and you'll be able to hold your breath for tens of minutes at a time. Don't you want to be ripped like your ancestors?

Melina was a porn star, and hillary as a kid was very doable. Maybe make it a requirement.

Is Melania a politician, or just married to one? I also said 'Nearly every' just in case there was a politician somewhere that wouldn't look bad naked.

I don't find kids doable, sorry.

Melina was a porn star in her own right.
Wipe the smug condemnation off your face. 25 is a kid.

[Major-Tom]

Loophole found! Make porn about political figures and/or their policies. Then it's political speech and thus safe! (And oh god, the mental images such a notion brings to mind. Almost as bad as some of the crap I've had to clean up from spammers on NS.)

Directed by Secretary of Phallic Affairs "BlowJo."

[The New California Republic]

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I take it back! All porn should be banned!

[Northwest Slobovia]

To end the First AMendment Argument once and for all: The Miller Test:

1. Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
2. Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
3. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

If one meets these three, then it is considered an obscenity unprotected by the first amendment.

99.99% of Pornography fits under this test.

Was the Miller test ever approved by any government agency as a method of law interpretation?

Indeed, it was the conclusion of SCOTUS in Miller v California. However, they argue other than Free Missouri would like, having reversed the conviction of Marvin Miller for sending out unsolicited sexually explicit ads for his porn magazines.

They note there and in later cases that "community standards" is a slippery thing, isn't universal, and may change. The conclude by saying the best they can do is leave the boundaries of obscenity up to the people:

We deal with highly emotional, not rational, questions. To many the Song of Solomon is obscene. I do not think we, the judges, were ever given the constitutional power to make definitions of obscenity. If it is to be defined, let the people debate and decide by a constitutional amendment what they want to ban as obscene and what standards they want the legislatures and the courts to apply. Perhaps the people will decide that the path towards a mature, integrated society requires [413 U.S. 15, 47] that all ideas competing for acceptance must have no censor. Perhaps they will decide otherwise. Whatever the choice, the courts will have some guidelines. Now we have none except our own predilections.

Edit: And Free Missouri is wrong: those are tests to decide if a law limiting pornography is constitutional:

2. The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be: (a) whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, Roth, supra, at 489, (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. If a state obscenity law is thus limited, First Amendment values are adequately protected by ultimate independent appellate review of constitutional claims when necessary. Pp. 24-25.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

ok thats going a bit far

how about finding these degenerates AND KILLING THEM ON SITE that way people would be far to afraid to ever go around and rape again, And while we are at why not show the honorable slaying on the screen.

also it seems that you might not be pure as well.......

I think they're being sarcastic.......

But I agree with it nonetheless, save for the whole ban on storytelling, drawing (unless it's sexual), and imagination.

Define "sexual drawing."

[Zanera]

You'll gain the strength given from swimming to be as strong and muscle-y as your ancestors, and you'll be able to hold your breath for tens of minutes at a time. Don't you want to be ripped like your ancestors?



Is Melania a politician, or just married to one? I also said 'Nearly every' just in case there was a politician somewhere that wouldn't look bad naked.

I don't find kids doable, sorry.

Melina was a porn star in her own right.
Wipe the smug condemnation off your face. 25 is a kid.

I don't get emotions all over my face when I eat them.
pics then

[Vassenor]

To end the First AMendment Argument once and for all: The Miller Test:

1. Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
2. Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
3. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

If one meets these three, then it is considered an obscenity unprotected by the first amendment.

99.99% of Pornography fits under this test.

The First Amendment does however mean that all the people saying "it needs to be banned because the Bible says so" can absolutely go and do one. Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion.

[Ifreann]

What has been seen can not been unseen.

.... Goddamnit Internet.

You brought this on yourself.

[Reploid Productions]

.... Goddamnit Internet.

You brought this on yourself.

And yet, still not the worst I've seen cleaning up after porn and/or shock image spammers. You'll note I'm not going on about needing the brain bleach, just kinda facepalming at the internet and Rule 34.

[Zanera]

You brought this on yourself.

And yet, still not the worst I've seen cleaning up after porn and/or shock image spammers. You'll note I'm not going on about needing the brain bleach, just kinda facepalming at the internet and Rule 34.

You know, though, I don't think Howard Dean could be in any fanfiction. He'd be the one that'd make noises that would turn people off.

[Salandriagado]

I originally asked this question back in July, but here goes again.
Pornography, as the dictionary puts it, is "printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement." It's one of the most common forms of entertainment in the world. What's so bad about entertainment? Why should we ban it? Well my case is that Pornography has far more negatives than positives to it, such as;

-It creates emotional bond with artificial world

So does Harry Potter.

-It results in a short term high, eventually results in feelings of emptiness, low self-esteem and deep loneliness, similar to drugs

No more so than, say, Christmas does.

-Means you can’t get aroused by just your spouse

False.

-Porn wrecks your libido

False.

-Porn makes you sexually lazy

False.

-Makes regular intercourse seem mundane

False.

-Makes it difficult to last long during sex

False.

In all honesty, I want to crack down on it from a Biblical, moral perspective. And before any smartass opponent to this brings up something "bad" in the Bible, I don't care.

I don't give a shit what your favourite book says about anything, really, and neither should the law.

Pornography destroys love, it makes people reliant on sex and on hedonism to feel enjoyment.

False on both counts.

And this enjoyment, is not really enjoyment.

This is a lie.

It's a respite from a lack of enjoyment.

"Enjoyment" and "A respite from a lack of enjoyment" differ only in the spelling.

Like said above, it's similar to, if not a mental variant of, drugs. You can get addicted, it can give you mental and emotional problems etc.

So can Netflix.

There are far, far more and one I would like to go into detail more is it's addictiveness. A porn addiction can be worse than a drug addiction or an alcohol addiction. It can ruin your life, your marriage and other relationships. According to SAGU (source), 20% of men visit porn at work, 40 million US adults regularly visit porn sites and 10% of adults admit to a porn addiction. This is horrific!

This is comparable to Netflix.

One in ten adults are addicted to porn. It's terrible. How many kids watch porn?? There is very few effective methods to stop children from accessing porn without downright censoring their internet use.

Yes there is. It's called "parenting".

The only way I can see that we cure this is an outright banning of porn. What do you think? Should we ban porn?

No, the solution is to stop caring about what other people do that doesn't harm anybody at all.

[War Gears]

Considering it leads people to murder, rape, steal, etc. in the name of God, then no it doesn't.

All those would be a sin.......you can't justifiably do any of that "in the name of God (swt)".

Not enough of a sin not to be authorized by Moses and approved by God.

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.
16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people.
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

[Aillyria]

I think they're being sarcastic.......

But I agree with it nonetheless, save for the whole ban on storytelling, drawing (unless it's sexual), and imagination.

Define "sexual drawing."

Jeez, maybe anything that'd be considered sexual if it were real?

[Salandriagado]

It's not something you can just switch off any time you want, but many people do get over depression.

And it happens different ways for different people...

In my case, it was taking about 4 times my prescribed dose of Wellbutrin. I was high for a day, and when I came down, I felt way better and did not need the Wellbutrin anymore. Afterward, taking Wellbutrin did nothing except make me feel weird and crappy, so I stopped taking it. It was a very dramatic experience, almost like a revelation, except that it had nothing to do with God.

I am never sure whether it's a good idea to tell people about that, or whether I am giving people dangerous ideas that will lead to someone overdosing on their meds. But it is still true.

Since I'm not a psychiatrist don't quote my on this but i don't think you really ever get over depression you just learn to live with it better. Kinda like asthma, you might not need to take the medication every day but you still have asthma.

Erm... is this a bad time to mention that I've gone from having asthma to not having asthma any more?

Even if pornography is banned, these lecherous degenerates will just switch to other things to satiate their sinful urges. That's why we should preemptively ban lingerie and swimsuit modeling, nudity, erotic art, erotic literature, storytelling, drawing, and imagination.

Banning nudity is going to make getting changed very tricky.

Getting rid of it will reduce degeneracy corrupting especially the young and improve the overall moral hygiene of the people I would ban it.

Banning pornography would be rather less effective than prohibition was.

[Petrolheadia]

All those would be a sin.......you can't justifiably do any of that "in the name of God (swt)".

Not enough of a sin not to be authorized by Moses and approved by God.

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.
16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people.
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Nothing turns people away from Christianity like the Bible.

As in "the whole thing", not just quotes.

[San Lumen]

As long as what is occurring in porn is consensual, no children are involved and nothing illegal is going on why should it be banned?