Should we ban pornography?

[The New California Republic]

I personally do not like excessive tattoos or piercings. It is made by the media to manipulate people into buying more, so that capitalists can make more profit. Do you really need tattoos or piercings to be happy? Do you really need higher quantities of anything to be happy? Many pornography enterprises try to teach that yes, people do need that in order to be happy. And they teach them that so they can buy more from capitalists, so that capitalists can make more money.

No, I really don't think that is true. In fact, most of the people that I personally know that have quite a few tattoos and piercings do not like capitalism at all. I have tattoos, and I consider myself to be a moderate Socialist. So even just from my own experience, I can tell you that thus far your argument does not hold water.

Many pre-capitalist societies practiced the arts of tattooing and piercing, so the fact that both predate capitalism by a very considerable margin completely invalidates your argument that they are a product of capitalism...

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

I personally do not like excessive tattoos or piercings. It is made by the media to manipulate people into buying more, so that capitalists can make more profit.

That must be why it's difficult to get a job with visible tattoos in many places. Darn those capitalists getting people to buy them so they can't make them more money!


Or it could be a personal choice, from a variety of cultures, that have to do with one's personal identity.

Your personal preference isn't relevant to people's wish to decorate their bodies, nor is the practice driven by the porn industry.

Most managers in capitalism that do not want to hire people with visible tattoos tend to be more socially conservative.

More people can make personal choices like this due to capitalist manipulation. If capitalist manipulation decreases, one way being by putting more advanced regulation on porn, then people will much less want those body modifications.

"Or it could be a personal choice, from a variety of cultures, that have to do with one's personal identity."

- In terms of collective cultures, one having modified body parts or tattoos is created to keep people divided. Many collective cultures are created to prevent society from coming together. It is a way to divide and conquer society. Or, one may be forced into having tattoos, such as prisoners in gangs.

"Your personal preference isn't relevant to people's wish to decorate their bodies, nor is the practice driven by the porn industry."

The practices are not driven, they are manipulated.

[The South Falls]

Indeed.

There will be better ways than removing something from the brain. Chips that will simply repress and control.

Much more efficient

Oooo, I have a good idea

How about we leave the brains of humans alone? Doesn't that sound like a good idea?

True, it's in our brains to find mates, and give us rewards for finding mates and being aroused enough to possibly procreate...

[The New California Republic]

More people can make personal choices like this due to capitalist manipulation. If capitalist manipulation decreases, one way being by putting more advanced regulation on porn, then people will much less want those body modifications.

Wrong, just wrong. Read this:

The earliest known evidence of tattooing goes back to markings found on the mummified human body that was discovered in the Alp Mountains in 1991. 5300 years old Oetzi - The Tyrolean Iceman, the oldest European mummified human, was tattooed. 58 tattoos, which appeared to serve more than a simple decorative function as some of them represent known pressure or acupuncture points, has been found on his body. The fact that he was tattooed was not a coincidence and it was probably perfectly normal for people of his time to be tattooed.

Are you going to maintain that capitalism and pornography are the cause of people getting a lot of tattoos? Neither pornography nor capitalism existed thousands of years ago...

Source: http://www.streetdirectory.com/etoday/h ... ewolw.html

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

More people can make personal choices like this due to capitalist manipulation. If capitalist manipulation decreases, one way being by putting more advanced regulation on porn, then people will much less want those body modifications.

Wrong, just wrong. Read this:

The earliest known evidence of tattooing goes back to markings found on the mummified human body that was discovered in the Alp Mountains in 1991. 5300 years old Oetzi - The Tyrolean Iceman, the oldest European mummified human, was tattooed. 58 tattoos, which appeared to serve more than a simple decorative function as some of them represent known pressure or acupuncture points, has been found on his body. The fact that he was tattooed was not a coincidence and it was probably perfectly normal for people of his time to be tattooed.

Are you going to maintain that capitalism and pornography are the cause of people getting a lot of tattoos? Neither pornography nor capitalism existed thousands of years ago...

Source: http://www.streetdirectory.com/etoday/h ... ewolw.html

Yes, but if it is regulated at an advanced level, people are less likely to want to have body modifications, thus meaning there is less manipulation to make more people want body modifications.

[Kyrusia]

The topic of the thread isn't "capitalism at large and in general," but whether or not pornography should be prohibited. Let's try and constrain ourselves a bit closer to that, shall we?

Many thanks.

[The New California Republic]

Are you going to maintain that capitalism and pornography are the cause of people getting a lot of tattoos? Neither pornography nor capitalism existed thousands of years ago...

Source: http://www.streetdirectory.com/etoday/h ... ewolw.html

Yes, but if it is regulated at an advanced level, people are less likely to want to have body modifications, thus meaning there is less manipulation to make more people want body modifications.

You mustn't have read what I said, because I basically just disproved your theory that pornography should be regulated because it is the cause of people getting lots of tattoos...

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

The topic of the thread isn't "capitalism at large and in general," but whether or not pornography should be prohibited. Let's try and constrain ourselves a bit closer to that, shall we?

Many thanks.

I think that pornography should be legal, but with advanced regulations.

[The New California Republic]

The topic of the thread isn't "capitalism at large and in general," but whether or not pornography should be prohibited. Let's try and constrain ourselves a bit closer to that, shall we?

Many thanks.

I think that pornography should be legal, but with advanced regulations.

But again, regulating porn because "porn encourages people to get a lot of tattoos and piercings" is a nonsensical argument, it is an argument that is completely contradicted by historical precedent.

[Neanderthaland]

Why on Earth would you want to ban pornography?

Because ultra hard core religious nonsense.

Sounds hot.

[Souseiseki]

Pornography can be good for society, as long as it is regulated, and does not Promote Capitalist Culture. BDSM Porn, and Reverse Gangbang Porn is what I personally desire the most.

i love how you specified reverse gangbang, implying you like normal gangbang more.

[Shikihara]

There are a lot of problems that I have with the porn industry, and I don't believe the usual popular misconceptions about how its "liberating." its a job like any other, and like most jobs, you will have employers trying to exploit and manipulate employees, among other things. But the industry itself should not be banned and trying to outlaw pornography is literally impossible, as well as blatantly totalitarian in the first place.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Because ultra hard core religious nonsense.

Sounds hot.

But this time its not the good kind.

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

There are a lot of problems that I have with the porn industry, and I don't believe the usual popular misconceptions about how its "liberating." its a job like any other, and like most jobs, you will have employers trying to exploit and manipulate employees, among other things. But the industry itself should not be banned and trying to outlaw pornography is literally impossible, as well as blatantly totalitarian in the first place.

I agree with some of the things you said. I also do not see how Porn can be "Liberating" especially for porn workers themselves. Yes, especially in a capitalist economy, you will have selfish employers try to manipulate their workers, and also - the viewers. In terms of manipulating them into having more body modifications.

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

I think that pornography should be legal, but with advanced regulations.

But again, regulating porn because "porn encourages people to get a lot of tattoos and piercings" is a nonsensical argument, it is an argument that is completely contradicted by historical precedent.

I am Not trying to Argue. What I said "Porn encourages people to get a lot of tattoos and piercings," is very debatable, and I am not trying to start any debate, that is How I view it. Some people will say the opposite. Some will say that it does Not. I believe in general that Porn should be legal, mostly for educational or sexual entertainment purposes, and that it should have advanced regulations.

[Aillyria]

I do not think that Pornography should be Banned.

However, I do think that it should be restricted. In terms of preventing to show Social Competition, Hyper-masculinity, Street Acts, excessive body modifications such as tattoos, piercings, or enhanced genital sizes, and using expensive stuff such as models driving expensive automobiles, or people having acts in luxurious rooms, these characteristics should be banned. It promotes radical individualism, narcissism, and capitalist culture.

Pornography can be good for society, as long as it is regulated, and does not Promote Capitalist Culture. BDSM Porn, and Reverse Gangbang Porn is what I personally desire the most.

How can porn be good for society? It can't help but to promote capitalist culture because it is a product of secular atheist capitalism.

[The New California Republic]

But again, regulating porn because "porn encourages people to get a lot of tattoos and piercings" is a nonsensical argument, it is an argument that is completely contradicted by historical precedent.

I am Not trying to Argue. What I said "Porn encourages people to get a lot of tattoos and piercings," is very debatable, and I am not trying to start any debate, that is How I view it. Some people will say the opposite. Some will say that it does Not. I believe in general that Porn should be legal, mostly for educational or sexual entertainment purposes, and that it should have advanced regulations.

Wait, what? You still aren't addressing what I have said. You claimed that porn encourages people to get lots of tattoos and piercings, but you have yet to give any evidence of that whatsoever, and you have yet to respond to the significant counter-evidence that I gave that completely invalidates your reasoning, namely that people have been getting lots of tattoos etc long before pornography appeared on the scene. Look at the following counter-example, are you seriously putting forward the absurd argument that the following person got lots of tattoos because he saw a porn star with them:

The earliest known evidence of tattooing goes back to markings found on the mummified human body that was discovered in the Alp Mountains in 1991. 5300 years old Oetzi - The Tyrolean Iceman, the oldest European mummified human, was tattooed. 58 tattoos, which appeared to serve more than a simple decorative function as some of them represent known pressure or acupuncture points, has been found on his body. The fact that he was tattooed was not a coincidence and it was probably perfectly normal for people of his time to be tattooed.

So again, why do you think that porn should be regulated because it encourages people to get lots of tattoos? It clearly doesn't. Tattoos and piercings pre-date porn by several thousand years. To attribute tattooing to pornography is nonsensical.

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

I do not think that Pornography should be Banned.

However, I do think that it should be restricted. In terms of preventing to show Social Competition, Hyper-masculinity, Street Acts, excessive body modifications such as tattoos, piercings, or enhanced genital sizes, and using expensive stuff such as models driving expensive automobiles, or people having acts in luxurious rooms, these characteristics should be banned. It promotes radical individualism, narcissism, and capitalist culture.

Pornography can be good for society, as long as it is regulated, and does not Promote Capitalist Culture. BDSM Porn, and Reverse Gangbang Porn is what I personally desire the most.

How can porn be good for society? It can't help but to promote capitalist culture because it is a product of secular atheist capitalism.

Some of Porn's positive effects on society would include advanced sexual education, media sexual pleasures to those who cannot find a sexual partner, and general entertainment.

Most porn in this World today is promoted in a Capitalist sense because Capitalism is ruling the World in these times. But if the economy was Socialist, rather than Capitalist, porn could represent itself in a different way, in a way that does not promote a capitalist culture, since capitalist culture is Not emphasized in socialism.

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

I am Not trying to Argue. What I said "Porn encourages people to get a lot of tattoos and piercings," is very debatable, and I am not trying to start any debate, that is How I view it. Some people will say the opposite. Some will say that it does Not. I believe in general that Porn should be legal, mostly for educational or sexual entertainment purposes, and that it should have advanced regulations.

Wait, what? You still aren't addressing what I have said. You claimed that porn encourages people to get lots of tattoos and piercings, but you have yet to give any evidence of that whatsoever, and you have yet to respond to the significant counter-evidence that I gave that completely invalidates your reasoning, namely that people have been getting lots of tattoos etc long before pornography appeared on the scene. Look at the following counter-example, are you seriously putting forward the absurd argument that the following person got lots of tattoos because he saw a porn star with them:

The earliest known evidence of tattooing goes back to markings found on the mummified human body that was discovered in the Alp Mountains in 1991. 5300 years old Oetzi - The Tyrolean Iceman, the oldest European mummified human, was tattooed. 58 tattoos, which appeared to serve more than a simple decorative function as some of them represent known pressure or acupuncture points, has been found on his body. The fact that he was tattooed was not a coincidence and it was probably perfectly normal for people of his time to be tattooed.

So again, why do you think that porn should be regulated because it encourages people to get lots of tattoos? It clearly doesn't. Tattoos and piercings pre-date porn by several thousand years. To attribute tattooing to pornography is nonsensical.

The Reason why I am Still not addressing some of the things you said is because I do not want to debate. All I am trying to say is that if porn workers do not have an excessive amount of body modifications, it would less likely manipulate people into wanting to have More body modifications. Porn workers who are banned from having excessive body modifications will still not stop most people in general from having body modifications, but will more likely reduce it, or prevent it at a lower level.

[Reploid Productions]

I do not want to debate.

Oh... oh dear. You are not in for a good time on a forum that is almost entirely about debating then.

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

I do not want to debate.

Oh... oh dear. You are not in for a good time on a forum that is almost entirely about debating then.

I just want to state my personal opinion, and answer some questions that people have on here for me. More like a dialogue, or a political discussion, rather than a debate, is what I am trying to do.

[The New California Republic]

Wait, what? You still aren't addressing what I have said. You claimed that porn encourages people to get lots of tattoos and piercings, but you have yet to give any evidence of that whatsoever, and you have yet to respond to the significant counter-evidence that I gave that completely invalidates your reasoning, namely that people have been getting lots of tattoos etc long before pornography appeared on the scene. Look at the following counter-example, are you seriously putting forward the absurd argument that the following person got lots of tattoos because he saw a porn star with them:


So again, why do you think that porn should be regulated because it encourages people to get lots of tattoos? It clearly doesn't. Tattoos and piercings pre-date porn by several thousand years. To attribute tattooing to pornography is nonsensical.

The Reason why I am Still not addressing some of the things you said is because I do not want to debate. All I am trying to say is that if porn workers do not have an excessive amount of body modifications, it would less likely manipulate people into wanting to have More body modifications. Porn workers who are banned from having excessive body modifications will still not stop most people in general from having body modifications, but will more likely reduce it, or prevent it at a lower level.

Forgive me for saying so, but if you have come to a debating forum without the intention of debating, then what is the purpose of your presence here? You cannot come to the forum and say that "porn should be regulated because porn encourages tattoos and piercings" and expect not to be challenged on that point. You cannot just keep regurgitating the same argument, then say "I am not here for debate", because what is the point of saying it then? Without the debate, NS Forums just turns into a glorified communal blog. If you refuse to give any supporting evidence for very sweeping statements, and refuse to engage in any debate at all, then people will just dismiss your argument out-of-hand...

[The New California Republic]

Oh... oh dear. You are not in for a good time on a forum that is almost entirely about debating then.

I just want to state my personal opinion, and answer some questions that people have on here for me. More like a dialogue, or a political discussion, rather than a debate, is what I am trying to do.

I offered you questions. You refused to answer them. I offered a dialogue. You refused to engage in it. I really cannot see where we go from here...

[Aillyria]

How can porn be good for society? It can't help but to promote capitalist culture because it is a product of secular atheist capitalism.

Some of Porn's positive effects on society would include advanced sexual education, media sexual pleasures to those who cannot find a sexual partner, and general entertainment.

Most porn in this World today is promoted in a Capitalist sense because Capitalism is ruling the World in these times. But if the economy was Socialist, rather than Capitalist, porn could represent itself in a different way, in a way that does not promote a capitalist culture, since capitalist culture is Not emphasized in socialism.

You don't require porn for Sex Ed....at all, not to mention it would do a very crappy job of giving a healthy lesson on sex."Media "sexual pleasures" to those who can't find a sexual partners, really? General entertainment? WTF? We should discourage and outlaw frivolous and immoral sexual practices, pornography being amongst them.

Pornography/Prostitution wouldn't exist in a socialist society, the immoral consumerism and sexually objectifying culture that fuels it wouldn't exist.

[Ethel mermania]

I do not think that Pornography should be Banned.

However, I do think that it should be restricted. In terms of preventing to show Social Competition, Hyper-masculinity, Street Acts, excessive body modifications such as tattoos, piercings, or enhanced genital sizes, and using expensive stuff such as models driving expensive automobiles, or people having acts in luxurious rooms, these characteristics should be banned. It promotes radical individualism, narcissism, and capitalist culture.

Pornography can be good for society, as long as it is regulated, and does not Promote Capitalist Culture. BDSM Porn, and Reverse Gangbang Porn is what I personally desire the most.

How can porn be good for society? It can't help but to promote capitalist culture because it is a product of secular atheist capitalism.

Huzzah for secular atheist capitalism.