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Should we ban porn?

Yes, it should be banned outright
105
12%
No, but it should be heavily restricted and require a license to view/obtain
24
3%
No, but it should be heavily restricted to stop children from being able to view
81
9%
No, but it should be heavily discouraged and people should be educated on it's effects
109
13%
No, (all three above)
29
3%
No, let people do what they want
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57%
Other (Please state what)
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Should we ban pornography?

Postby Kennlind » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:27 pm

I originally asked this question back in July, but here goes again.
Pornography, as the dictionary puts it, is "printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement." It's one of the most common forms of entertainment in the world. What's so bad about entertainment? Why should we ban it? Well my case is that Pornography has far more negatives than positives to it, such as;

-It creates emotional bond with artificial world
-It results in a short term high, eventually results in feelings of emptiness, low self-esteem and deep loneliness, similar to drugs
-Means you can’t get aroused by just your spouse
-Porn wrecks your libido
-Porn makes you sexually lazy
-Makes regular intercourse seem mundane
-Makes it difficult to last long during sex

In all honesty, I want to crack down on it from a Biblical, moral perspective. And before any smartass opponent to this brings up something "bad" in the Bible, I don't care. Pornography destroys love, it makes people reliant on sex and on hedonism to feel enjoyment. And this enjoyment, is not really enjoyment. It's a respite from a lack of enjoyment. Like said above, it's similar to, if not a mental variant of, drugs. You can get addicted, it can give you mental and emotional problems etc.

There are far, far more and one I would like to go into detail more is it's addictiveness. A porn addiction can be worse than a drug addiction or an alcohol addiction. It can ruin your life, your marriage and other relationships. According to SAGU (source), 20% of men visit porn at work, 40 million US adults regularly visit porn sites and 10% of adults admit to a porn addiction. This is horrific! One in ten adults are addicted to porn. It's terrible. How many kids watch porn?? There is very few effective methods to stop children from accessing porn without downright censoring their internet use. The only way I can see that we cure this is an outright banning of porn. What do you think? Should we ban porn?

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:30 pm

Oh here we go again.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:33 pm

Nah.

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Postby Xelsis » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:33 pm

In the United States, at least, this is a state-level rather than a federal-level issue.

At the state level-go for it.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:44 pm

-It creates emotional bond with artificial world

So does all fiction. Or rather nothing does it if you are a sane and sensible person that can tell reality from fiction. If not, get medical help. Because that is a sign of a serious mental disorder.

-It results in a short term high, eventually results in feelings of emptiness, low self-esteem and deep loneliness, similar to drugs

So does literally everything else that feels good. Eating fine food. Drinking. Driving a nice car. Anything.
You can get that sort of reaction from literally anything that makes you release endorphins.

-Means you can’t get aroused by just your spouse

I would love to see some scientific proof for this. Provide your citations or concede.

-Porn wrecks your libido

I would love to see some scientific proof for this. Provide your citations or concede.

-Porn makes you sexually lazy

And how is this a bad thing? Seriously, make your argument why it is bad if the person is still getting the satisfaction he wants.
And by that logic, how is any other simulator activity not bad? After all, playing a driving game makes me too lazy to become a race car driver. And playing a flight simulator makes me too lazy to buy and pilot an aircraft. Are those evil as well?

-Makes regular intercourse seem mundane

I would love to see some scientific proof for this. Provide your citations or concede.

-Makes it difficult to last long during sex

I would love to see some scientific proof for this. Provide your citations or concede.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:52 pm

Porn does none of those things you mentioned last time OP. I'd go through my posts and find the response to these same bullshit claims you made last time, but I can't be arsed.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:54 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Porn does none of those things you mentioned last time OP. I'd go through my posts and find the response to these same bullshit claims you made last time, but I can't be arsed.

I say we just boycott his thread until he gives citations. And if he can't, case closed.
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Postby Topoliani » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:56 pm

Proof for any of these absurd and ridiculous claims?
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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:59 pm

I thought the answer and loads of evidence for why it's not bad that you got from the past thread were pretty clear cut...
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:00 pm

India already tried
people weren't to thrilled

Since I'm using a school tablet (which blocks "bad" words such as porn), all I did was add an extra "o" and I bypassed them (so I can get the articles). Making the stupid word, "poorn". See systems that are set to block it are already in place don't work.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:08 pm

Banning pornography would likely be impossible. This isn't back in the days when the only place you could obtain pornography was a store with entirely blacked out windows with XXX above the door. If that was the case, then it'd be fairly easy just to close all the sex shops etc down, and the supply of pornography would dry up eventually. But this is the 21st century, we have the internet. Unless the internet is going to be turned into a strictly controlled and censored Orwellian nightmare, then banning pornography will likely be completely unenforceable.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:10 pm

Kennlind wrote:-Makes regular intercourse seem mundane
-Makes it difficult to last long during sex


Aren't these two contradictory?

Besides, we know that access to porn is correlated with lower rape rates, and although we can't prove a causal relationship at this time, we shouldn't ban something all willy nilly for no good reason.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:11 pm

Yes, it's addictive and can ruin people's lives.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:13 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, it's addictive and can ruin people's lives.

Read my post above. India attempted it and failed also it's annoying dealing with it. ;)
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Postby Topoliani » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:14 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, it's addictive and can ruin people's lives.

So, because it's addictive and can ruin people's lives, we should ban it?

Well, there goes my beer and video games
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Postby The East Europan Imperial Alliance » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:15 pm

Topoliani wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, it's addictive and can ruin people's lives.

So, because it's addictive and can ruin people's lives, we should ban it?

Well, there goes my beer and video games


And Anime.

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Postby Topoliani » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:16 pm

The East Europan Imperial Alliance wrote:
Topoliani wrote:So, because it's addictive and can ruin people's lives, we should ban it?

Well, there goes my beer and video games


And Anime.

And basically anything enjoyable
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:16 pm

Topoliani wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, it's addictive and can ruin people's lives.

So, because it's addictive and can ruin people's lives, we should ban it?

Well, there goes my beer and video games

You must play Hunie Pop then. :lol:
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Postby The East Europan Imperial Alliance » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:17 pm

Topoliani wrote:
The East Europan Imperial Alliance wrote:
And Anime.

And basically anything enjoyable


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Postby Entronium » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:18 pm

I think that porn is destructive if we make it, you see its like most things where its actually a neutral prospect

it can be used positively, to keep those who are depressed happy

or it can be used negatively where sickos come in an use it as an excuse to abuse/ hurt a person

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:20 pm

Not this again. No No NO!! Please kindly take your anti-porn shtick elsewhere
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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:21 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, it's addictive and can ruin people's lives.

Let's ban fun and happiness then.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:21 pm

Eh, as long as people have the freedom to make porn and people have the freedom to view porn, it'll be around.

As long as the actors are consenting to making the porn and not being forced against their will, it's their right to do so.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:22 pm

Kennlind wrote:-It creates emotional bond with artificial world

So does reading a book, or engaging with any other work of culture that is set in a fictional world (such as movies, music, etc). We often form an emotional bond with the characters when reading a book or watching a film, like feeling sad when something tragic happens to them, or feeling elated when they overcome a great obstacle to reach their goal. Feeling an emotional connection to fictional characters is not a bad thing.

Kennlind wrote:-It results in a short term high, eventually results in feelings of emptiness, low self-esteem and deep loneliness, similar to drugs

We need a source for that. Based on my own experience, I feel happy and relaxed for the rest of the day, without any of those negative feelings that you describe.

Kennlind wrote:-Means you can’t get aroused by just your spouse

Based on my experience, that is wrong, very wrong. I like pornography, but my partner alone can easily have the same effect.

Kennlind wrote:-Porn wrecks your libido

Need a source for that. I don't seem to have this problem.

Kennlind wrote:-Porn makes you sexually lazy

Nope, if anything it can make you more willing to try new things.

Kennlind wrote:-Makes regular intercourse seem mundane

Again, nope. Me and my partner get along fine.

Kennlind wrote:-Makes it difficult to last long during sex

Source please. But in the absence of a source, I will rely on my own experience, and I'm afraid that you are wrong again.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, it's addictive and can ruin people's lives.

Let's ban fun and happiness then.

Porn = fun and happiness? Well then I gotta find me my source of fun and happiness then :lol:
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