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Who wins the AL-2 GOP Runoff on July 17th?

Rep. Martha Roby
16
42%
Bobby Bright
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Total votes : 38

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Postby Collatis » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:25 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
UED wrote:
2004 actually, but yea Republicans generally dont benefit from higher turnout rates.


Keep in mind, too, that Hispanics voted a little over 40% GOP in 2004.

That, to Arlenton’s dismay, is unlikely to ever happen again.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:43 pm

Collatis wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Keep in mind, too, that Hispanics voted a little over 40% GOP in 2004.

That, to Arlenton’s dismay, is unlikely to ever happen again.


Not with the direction the party is going...
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Collatis wrote:That, to Arlenton’s dismay, is unlikely to ever happen again.


Not with the direction the party is going...

I welcome it and the turning off of a entire generation with their attack on young people speaking out regarding gun violence or using their voice in general.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Not with the direction the party is going...

I welcome it and the turning off of a entire generation with their attack on young people speaking out regarding gun violence or using their voice in general.


That doesn't surprise me.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Not with the direction the party is going...

I welcome it and the turning off of a entire generation with their attack on young people speaking out regarding gun violence or using their voice in general.


Guns aren't a winning issue for the Democrats lol
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Freezic Vast
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Postby Freezic Vast » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:00 pm

...You do realize that the post-millennials are set to be the most conservative generation in decades, this is not gonna flip an entire generation from the right to left.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I welcome it and the turning off of a entire generation with their attack on young people speaking out regarding gun violence or using their voice in general.


Guns aren't a winning issue for the Democrats lol


They really aren't. Gun control gets some positive media coverage after a tragedy (and understandably so), but we can't win on guns.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:01 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:...You do realize that the post-millennials are set to be the most conservative generation in decades, this is not gonna flip an entire generation from the right to left.

you have any proof of that claim?

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Postby Telconi » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:03 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Guns aren't a winning issue for the Democrats lol


They really aren't. Gun control gets some positive media coverage after a tragedy (and understandably so), but we can't win on guns.


I think it hurts the party, but who knows.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:...You do realize that the post-millennials are set to be the most conservative generation in decades, this is not gonna flip an entire generation from the right to left.

you have any proof of that claim?


I think it's hard to prove one way or the other, but young people's politics are rarely locked down.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:07 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Guns aren't a winning issue for the Democrats lol


They really aren't. Gun control gets some positive media coverage after a tragedy (and understandably so), but we can't win on guns.


I'd go so far as to say that a big gun control push this year could actually really help the GOP. Every time the Dems have done it in the past 20 years they've lost seats.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
They really aren't. Gun control gets some positive media coverage after a tragedy (and understandably so), but we can't win on guns.


I think it hurts the party, but who knows.


*shrugs* I don't think they are basing elections on it.

It will change over time as more and more mass shootings go down and the same litany of BS is spewed to protect gun access; gun control won't be viewed as so bad.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
They really aren't. Gun control gets some positive media coverage after a tragedy (and understandably so), but we can't win on guns.


I'd go so far as to say that a big gun control push this year could actually really help the GOP. Every time the Dems have done it in the past 20 years they've lost seats.


They aren't going to push it that hard. Donnie is making the job easier.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
They really aren't. Gun control gets some positive media coverage after a tragedy (and understandably so), but we can't win on guns.


I'd go so far as to say that a big gun control push this year could actually really help the GOP. Every time the Dems have done it in the past 20 years they've lost seats.

Honestly i think we've reached a turning point on this issue. I know some people who have voted Republican for years who've said they are done with the GOP after this and are voting blue in November. There have been dozens of stories of people turning in their guns and resigning from the NRA. When you have local leaders and ex congressmembers calling for their own party to be voted out that's a sea change.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'd go so far as to say that a big gun control push this year could actually really help the GOP. Every time the Dems have done it in the past 20 years they've lost seats.


They aren't going to push it that hard. Donnie is making the job easier.


Donnie can't do anything. Anything he proposes will be dead on arrival because there's no chance in hell it passes the House.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'd go so far as to say that a big gun control push this year could actually really help the GOP. Every time the Dems have done it in the past 20 years they've lost seats.

Honestly i think we've reached a turning point on this issue. I know some people who have voted Republican for years who've said they are done with the GOP after this and are voting blue in November. When you have local leaders and ex congressmembers calling for their own party to be voted out that's a sea change.


And I know plenty of people who are more motivated than ever to vote single issue on guns. Anecdotes are meaningless.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:...You do realize that the post-millennials are set to be the most conservative generation in decades, this is not gonna flip an entire generation from the right to left.

you have any proof of that claim?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystah ... 3ea9777878

"According to research, Gen Z is more individualistic, more conservative both socially and fiscally, and they’re already making waves of impact on our political system. Gen Z, those born in 1995 or later, is possibly the most conservative generation since World War II"

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/eric ... ative-wwii

"Well, according to a growing body of research, they may be, by certain measures, the most conservative generation since World War II—more than Millennials, Generation Xers and even the Baby-Boomers."
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Honestly i think we've reached a turning point on this issue. I know some people who have voted Republican for years who've said they are done with the GOP after this and are voting blue in November. When you have local leaders and ex congressmembers calling for their own party to be voted out that's a sea change.


And I know plenty of people who are more motivated than ever to vote single issue on guns. Anecdotes are meaningless.

This isn't a gun debate but Im sorry guns are all they care about and they dont want to do anything to stop this from ever happening again.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
They aren't going to push it that hard. Donnie is making the job easier.


Donnie can't do anything. Anything he proposes will be dead on arrival because there's no chance in hell it passes the House.


Not suggesting he will or that will be the cause. Donnie just being donnie will cause most likely the house to flip. The senate would be a surprise.

Seeing seats change in areas where there used to be no hope in hell is something to be concerned about.
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* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Telconi » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
And I know plenty of people who are more motivated than ever to vote single issue on guns. Anecdotes are meaningless.

This isn't a gun debate but Im sorry guns are all they care about and they dont want to do anything to stop this from ever happening again.


And I'm not sorry you say things like that, drive voters away more please.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
And I know plenty of people who are more motivated than ever to vote single issue on guns. Anecdotes are meaningless.

This isn't a gun debate but Im sorry guns are all they care about and they dont want to do anything to stop this from ever happening again.


and I am sorry you are a single voter too. It is a tragedy it is getting normalized in the states tbh.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:15 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:you have any proof of that claim?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystah ... 3ea9777878

"According to research, Gen Z is more individualistic, more conservative both socially and fiscally, and they’re already making waves of impact on our political system. Gen Z, those born in 1995 or later, is possibly the most conservative generation since World War II"

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/eric ... ative-wwii

"Well, according to a growing body of research, they may be, by certain measures, the most conservative generation since World War II—more than Millennials, Generation Xers and even the Baby-Boomers."

And yet the 18-25 vote in 2016 and 2017 went overwhelmingly democrat same goes for the special election in Alabama so forgive me if im skeptical. Plus I dont consider CNS a reliable source.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:15 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Donnie can't do anything. Anything he proposes will be dead on arrival because there's no chance in hell it passes the House.


Not suggesting he will or that will be the cause. Donnie just being donnie will cause most likely the house to flip. The senate would be a surprise.

Seeing seats change in areas where there used to be no hope in hell is something to be concerned about.


Alternatively this nonsense could push the single issue vote to turn out with even higher numbers and give hardline GOP members a lot more votes.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:15 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This isn't a gun debate but Im sorry guns are all they care about and they dont want to do anything to stop this from ever happening again.


and I am sorry you are a single voter too. It is a tragedy it is getting normalized in the states tbh.

I am by no means a single issue voter. Where did you get that impression?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This isn't a gun debate but Im sorry guns are all they care about and they dont want to do anything to stop this from ever happening again.


And I'm not sorry you say things like that, drive voters away more please.


The only voters "driven away" are already going to vote that way.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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