US Midterm Election 2018 Megathread- It's Kavanaugh

[Arlenton]

I wish here in Texas the entirely Republican state supreme court drew the districts. I'm sure it'd be totally fair.

[Eibenland]

I wish here in Texas the entirely Republican state supreme court drew the districts. I'm sure it'd be totally fair.

It would probably be fairer than letting the legislature and Greg Abbott do it.

[Arlenton]

I wish here in Texas the entirely Republican state supreme court drew the districts. I'm sure it'd be totally fair.

It would probably be fairer than letting the legislature and Greg Abbott do it.

...Ok then.

[Myrensis]

Republicans just dont give up with their attacks on Democracy. Now Senator Pat Toomey is getting behind talk of impeaching the Pennsylvania Supreme Court Justices who drew the map calling it a power grab and attack on democracy
https://twitter.com/RCPress_Sean/status ... 6315637761

It seems quite clear they want a government like in Hungary where the courts and media is totally under state control and elections are really just for show as the ruling party has virtually no chance of losing power.

How dare those nasty Republicans! Everyone knows the only democratic way is to let Democrats draw the districts!

The Republican drawn maps repeatedly give Republicans 2/3rds of seats on ~50% of the vote, while the the Supreme Court map actually still slightly favors Republicans but creates more competitive districts and couple more lean Democratic ones.

Is this really the hill you want to die on? That a map that still slightly favors The GOP and far more accurately represents the voter breakdown of PA is a shameless Democratic power grab undermining democracy, because obviously the GOP drawn maps that consistently gave them power grossly disproportionate to their actual votes were obviously the better more democratic ones?

[Arlenton]

How dare those nasty Republicans! Everyone knows the only democratic way is to let Democrats draw the districts!

The Republican drawn maps repeatedly give Republicans 2/3rds of seats on ~50% of the vote, while the the Supreme Court map actually still slightly favors Republicans but creates more competitive districts and couple more lean Democratic ones.

Is this really the hill you want to die on? That a map that still slightly favors The GOP and far more accurately represents the voter breakdown of PA is a shameless Democratic power grab undermining democracy, because obviously the GOP drawn maps that consistently gave them power grossly disproportionate to their actual votes were obviously the better more democratic ones?

I just want the Koch brothers to draw the districts TBH.


Until fair algorithm drawn districts are legal.

[The Black Forrest]

The Republican drawn maps repeatedly give Republicans 2/3rds of seats on ~50% of the vote, while the the Supreme Court map actually still slightly favors Republicans but creates more competitive districts and couple more lean Democratic ones.

Is this really the hill you want to die on? That a map that still slightly favors The GOP and far more accurately represents the voter breakdown of PA is a shameless Democratic power grab undermining democracy, because obviously the GOP drawn maps that consistently gave them power grossly disproportionate to their actual votes were obviously the better more democratic ones?

I just want the Koch brothers to draw the districts TBH.


Until fair algorithm drawn districts are legal.

You want a "fair" algorithm and you want the kochs to draw the districts

[Washington Resistance Army]

I just want the Koch brothers to draw the districts TBH.


Until fair algorithm drawn districts are legal.

You want a "fair" algorithm and you want the kochs to draw the districts

No, he wants the Kochs to draw them until the fair algorithm is made legal.

[Arlenton]

I just want the Koch brothers to draw the districts TBH.


Until fair algorithm drawn districts are legal.

You want a "fair" algorithm and you want the kochs to draw the districts

I want the fair algorithm more than anything else, but that's not legally able to happen. So, since gerrymandering must happen in one way or another, I want it gerrymandered as much as possible in favor of the GOP.

[The Black Forrest]

You want a "fair" algorithm and you want the kochs to draw the districts

No, he wants the Kochs to draw them until the fair algorithm is made legal.

One desire conflicts with the other.

[Arlenton]

You want a "fair" algorithm and you want the kochs to draw the districts

No, he wants the Kochs to draw them until the fair algorithm is made legal.

Yes thank you.

If we can't have it be fair, I want my side to take full advantage.

[The Black Forrest]

You want a "fair" algorithm and you want the kochs to draw the districts

I want the fair algorithm more than anything else, but that's not legally able to happen. So, since gerrymandering must happen in one way or another, I want it gerrymandered as much as possible in favor of the GOP.

Fair and gerrymandered to the GOP?

You should probably drop "fair" and just stick with you want it gerrymandered to the GOP.

[Arlenton]

No, he wants the Kochs to draw them until the fair algorithm is made legal.

One desire conflicts with the other.

IDK why it's hard for you to understand.

I want the fair algorithm way, BUT that will not happen until a certain part of a law is changed.

So, until that happens (if it ever were to happen), I want the GOP to take full advantage of gerrymandering.

[Arlenton]

I want the fair algorithm more than anything else, but that's not legally able to happen. So, since gerrymandering must happen in one way or another, I want it gerrymandered as much as possible in favor of the GOP.

Fair and gerrymandered to the GOP?

You should probably drop "fair" and just stick with you want it gerrymandered to the GOP.

Read over what I have said. Very slowly.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, he wants the Kochs to draw them until the fair algorithm is made legal.

One desire conflicts with the other.

No it doesn't. He wants the system to be fair but if it can't be it's only logical he wants it to be tilted in his favor.

[The Black Forrest]

One desire conflicts with the other.

IDK why it's hard for you to understand.

I want the fair algorithm way, BUT that will not happen until a certain part of a law is changed.

So, until that happens (if it ever were to happen), I want the GOP to take full advantage of gerrymandering.

I question your interpretation of "fair"

[Arlenton]

IDK why it's hard for you to understand.

I want the fair algorithm way, BUT that will not happen until a certain part of a law is changed.

So, until that happens (if it ever were to happen), I want the GOP to take full advantage of gerrymandering.

I question your interpretation of "fair"

The FiveThirtyEight model. Hang on I'll grab the link.

[The Black Forrest]

One desire conflicts with the other.

No it doesn't. He wants the system to be fair but if it can't be it's only logical he wants it to be tilted in his favor.

Hmmmm? I doubt that just like I doubt you would want it fair.

[Myrensis]

Fair and gerrymandered to the GOP?

You should probably drop "fair" and just stick with you want it gerrymandered to the GOP.

Read over what I have said. Very slowly.

What you have said is very silly, regardless of the speed at which you read it.

"I want a fair algorithm to decide congressional districts, but until then, rather than supporting more fair maps that more accurately represent the voters there, I want the GOP to steal as much power as they can possibly get their claws on!"

[Arlenton]

IDK why it's hard for you to understand.

I want the fair algorithm way, BUT that will not happen until a certain part of a law is changed.

So, until that happens (if it ever were to happen), I want the GOP to take full advantage of gerrymandering.

I question your interpretation of "fair"

This

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/#algorithmic-compact

The problem is that this is challenged under the voting rights act for some reason. So this can't legally be implemented.

So until the law changes, gerrymandering has to happen, and if it has to happen I want it to benefit my side.

[Arlenton]

Read over what I have said. Very slowly.

What you have said is very silly, regardless of the speed at which you read it.

"I want a fair algorithm to decide congressional districts, but until then, rather than supporting more fair maps that more accurately represent the voters there, I want the GOP to steal as much power as they can possibly get their claws on!"

There are no currently fair maps.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Read over what I have said. Very slowly.

What you have said is very silly, regardless of the speed at which you read it.

"I want a fair algorithm to decide congressional districts, but until then, rather than supporting more fair maps that more accurately represent the voters there, I want the GOP to steal as much power as they can possibly get their claws on!"

It's a perfectly logical position to hold. If we can't have a fair map it might as well be unfair in favor of your side.

[Myrensis]

What you have said is very silly, regardless of the speed at which you read it.

"I want a fair algorithm to decide congressional districts, but until then, rather than supporting more fair maps that more accurately represent the voters there, I want the GOP to steal as much power as they can possibly get their claws on!"

There are no currently fair maps.

Some are fairer than others.

So your argument is, "If we can't have it absolutely perfect, then I want my side to just break it as much as humanly possible."

[Arlenton]

The options:

1) Fair algorithm map
2) GOP favored gerrymandering
3) Democrat favored gerrymandering


I would pick option 1. BUT, option 1 is not currently legal, so I'm stuck with options 2 and 3. Which do I pick?

Easy choice.

[Uiiop]

I question your interpretation of "fair"

This

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/#algorithmic-compact

The problem is that this is challenged under the voting rights act for some reason. So this can't legally be implemented.

So until the law changes, gerrymandering has to happen, and if it has to happen I want it to benefit my side.

What is the issue with proportional?
It's perfectly legal and according to what you linked seems even fairer than both compact methods.

But i guess you didn't really say what you meant by "Fair".

[Arlenton]

This

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/#algorithmic-compact

The problem is that this is challenged under the voting rights act for some reason. So this can't legally be implemented.

So until the law changes, gerrymandering has to happen, and if it has to happen I want it to benefit my side.

What is the issue with proportional?
It's perfectly legal and according to what you linked seems even fairer than both compact methods.

But i guess you didn't really say what you meant by "Fair".

Proportional works too. It is perfectly fair. But everyone seems stuck on using single member districts.

And I really only consider 100% population based algorithms fair when drawing districts.