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Who wins the AL-2 GOP Runoff on July 17th?

Rep. Martha Roby
16
42%
Bobby Bright
22
58%
 
Total votes : 38

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Why is he even permitted to run? You cannot vote if you're a felon but you can run for Congress just like Blankenship and that guy.

Why shouldn't he be permitted to run and vote?

I dont think someone who is in prison should be allowed to vote or run for office. Why should someone who will never be released be able to vote or run? A prison is meant to be a place of punishment not where you have the same rights as someone not serving time.

But once you are released absolutely.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why shouldn't he be permitted to run and vote?

I dont think someone who is in prison should be allowed to vote or run for office. Why should someone who will never be released be able to vote or run? A prison is meant to be a place of punishment not where you have the same rights as someone not serving time.

But once you are released absolutely.

Even people who are released still cannot vote. Every other country with a democracy doesn't make people lose their vote the second they step into a prison.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:52 pm

So is he even allowed to run in the first place?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:54 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:So is he even allowed to run in the first place?

Apparently so. It's weird how you can run for Congress while in prison but you cannot vote. It's very screwed up.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:54 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont think someone who is in prison should be allowed to vote or run for office. Why should someone who will never be released be able to vote or run? A prison is meant to be a place of punishment not where you have the same rights as someone not serving time.

But once you are released absolutely.

Even people who are released still cannot vote. Every other country with a democracy doesn't make people lose their vote the second they step into a prison.

It depends on the state. Florida is voting on a referendum to end felony disenfranchisement in November

There is a map in this link of states that have it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_di ... ted_States

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why shouldn't he be permitted to run and vote?

I dont think someone who is in prison should be allowed to vote or run for office.

Why not?
Why should someone who will never be released be able to vote or run?

Because there's no reason for them to lose those rights.
A prison is meant to be a place of punishment not where you have the same rights as someone not serving time.

That doesn't mean prisoners should lose all their rights.
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What do we have that they should want?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:56 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont think someone who is in prison should be allowed to vote or run for office.

Why not?
Why should someone who will never be released be able to vote or run?

Because there's no reason for them to lose those rights.
A prison is meant to be a place of punishment not where you have the same rights as someone not serving time.

That doesn't mean prisoners should lose all their rights.

I never said they should. But someone incarcerated should get zero say in politics.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why not?

Because there's no reason for them to lose those rights.

That doesn't mean prisoners should lose all their rights.

I never said they should. But someone incarcerated should get zero say in politics.

Why?
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:59 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So is he even allowed to run in the first place?

Apparently so. It's weird how you can run for Congress while in prison but you cannot vote. It's very screwed up.

It kind of skips the middleman if you think about it.
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The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:59 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I never said they should. But someone incarcerated should get zero say in politics.

Why?


Because they're in prison. If and when they get out sure but not while they're inside.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:01 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why?


Because they're in prison.

So?
If and when they get out sure but not while they're inside.

Why not?
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why?


Because they're in prison. If and when they get out sure but not while they're inside.

Agreed.
Petrasylvania wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Apparently so. It's weird how you can run for Congress while in prison but you cannot vote. It's very screwed up.

It kind of skips the middleman if you think about it.

Hehe
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:03 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because they're in prison.

So?
If and when they get out sure but not while they're inside.

Why not?

Because we don't want people who show anti-social behavior to be IN CHARGE of society. :roll:
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I never said they should. But someone incarcerated should get zero say in politics.

Why?


Because someone who committed such a crime that they have to spend time in prison has forfeited certain aspects of their rights. They do still have rights as people and as citizens, but not in the same way that they would if they were free. You don't have to get a warrant to search a cell, for example.

Also, what Genivaria said.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:05 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because they're in prison. If and when they get out sure but not while they're inside.

Agreed.

Do you want to ban prisoners from writing letters to their representatives as well? That's having a say in politics.

That's probably not even far enough. Ban prisoners from having any contact with the outside world? If they talk to people they might influence how those people vote. Clearly unacceptable.
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:10 pm

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Dumbest argument I've ever heard, By your logic since people wrote on quilts and paper back then, the 1st Amendment shouldn't apply to the internet.


When it comes to the Net; some times I think the 1st amendment mind set is a bad idea.


How so? Because the internet seems to be getting more and more important for people to exercise free speech in places where they can't.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So?

Why not?

Because we don't want people who show anti-social behavior to be IN CHARGE of society. :roll:

I wasn't aware that the US had more people in prison than outside it.


Shrillland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why?


Because someone who committed such a crime that they have to spend time in prison has forfeited certain aspects of their rights. They do still have rights as people and as citizens, but not in the same way that they would if they were free. You don't have to get a warrant to search a cell, for example.

You're not giving me any reason why people should lose their democratic rights while in the custody of the state, you're just telling me that they do.
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He/Him
What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because we don't want people who show anti-social behavior to be IN CHARGE of society. :roll:

I wasn't aware that the US had more people in prison than outside it.


Shrillland wrote:
Because someone who committed such a crime that they have to spend time in prison has forfeited certain aspects of their rights. They do still have rights as people and as citizens, but not in the same way that they would if they were free. You don't have to get a warrant to search a cell, for example.

You're not giving me any reason why people should lose their democratic rights while in the custody of the state, you're just telling me that they do.


Well, Genivaria put it best when he said that those who display such behaviour without being rehabilitated shouldn't be put into a position of power. As for not being allowed to vote...that just comes with not being able to run for office. It's true that many other countries do allow inmates to vote, just not run for office. I'd be OK with such a compromise myself.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:26 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I wasn't aware that the US had more people in prison than outside it.



You're not giving me any reason why people should lose their democratic rights while in the custody of the state, you're just telling me that they do.


Well, Genivaria put it best when he said that those who display such behaviour without being rehabilitated shouldn't be put into a position of power.

Just what harm do you think that one Senator could do from prison?
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He/Him
What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Well, Genivaria put it best when he said that those who display such behaviour without being rehabilitated shouldn't be put into a position of power.

Just what harm do you think that one Senator could do from prison?


Fair enough. Nonetheless, they still couldn't do their job properly. Being stuck in prison doesn't give you a chance to actually vote or even meet up with your constituents.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Well, Genivaria put it best when he said that those who display such behaviour without being rehabilitated shouldn't be put into a position of power.

Just what harm do you think that one Senator could do from prison?

They are serving a life sentence for starters. How do you expect them to be able to the job?

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Brace for impact! Its nearly at 500!
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