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Who wins the AL-2 GOP Runoff on July 17th?

Rep. Martha Roby
16
42%
Bobby Bright
22
58%
 
Total votes : 38

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It would be difficult to follow something I never said.

So why dont you run for state legislature then?


I dont have any desire to? Besides, legislators are required to live in the state. Living in the state sounds awful. Why would I take a job that I don't want to do, and requires me to live in a terrible place?
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So why dont you run for state legislature then?


I dont have any desire to? Besides, legislators are required to live in the state. Living in the state sounds awful. Why would I take a job that I don't want to do, and requires me to live in a terrible place?

I thought you were from California.

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Corrian
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It would be difficult to follow something I never said.

So why dont you run for state legislature then?

You know, just because some of us are passionate, doesn't mean we're remotely good for running for anything, or give a shit to.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I dont have any desire to? Besides, legislators are required to live in the state. Living in the state sounds awful. Why would I take a job that I don't want to do, and requires me to live in a terrible place?

I thought you were from California.


This is relevant how?
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-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
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-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:00 pm

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So why dont you run for state legislature then?

You know, just because some of us are passionate, doesn't mean we're remotely good for running for anything, or give a shit to.


For one thing, public speaking skills are an area I imagine a large chunk of this nerdy forum are lacking in.
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Corrian
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I dont have any desire to? Besides, legislators are required to live in the state. Living in the state sounds awful. Why would I take a job that I don't want to do, and requires me to live in a terrible place?

I thought you were from California.

Technically speaking I'm "from" California as I was born in Sacramento.
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Corrian
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:01 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Corrian wrote:You know, just because some of us are passionate, doesn't mean we're remotely good for running for anything, or give a shit to.


For one thing, public speaking skills are an area I imagine a large chunk of this nerdy forum are lacking in.

I certainly lack public speaking skills.
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The Flutterlands
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Because everything is just pissing me off and every hope in sight to expel the toxic Congress keeps getting struck down by the Courts or refused by the state itself.

Destroying democracy is not how you do it.

What is democracy has been highjacked though?
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm

Corrian wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
For one thing, public speaking skills are an area I imagine a large chunk of this nerdy forum are lacking in.

I certainly lack public speaking skills.


Mine are actually pretty good, years of explaining to people things they don't want to hear can hone some weird skills.
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:03 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Destroying democracy is not how you do it.

What is democracy has been highjacked though?


Palpatine, please no...
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:04 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Destroying democracy is not how you do it.

What is democracy has been highjacked though?


We use necromancy to get Cincinnatus back from the dead.
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Dahon
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Postby Dahon » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:05 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:What is democracy has been highjacked though?


Oh for the love of Madokami spare me this
Authoritarianism kills all. Never forget that.

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Freezic Vast
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:06 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Destroying democracy is not how you do it.

What is democracy has been highjacked though?

:eyebrow:
20 year old, male from Pennsylvania and proud of it. Love sports like football, baseball and hockey, enjoy video games and TV. Music is love, music is life. I'm bi and conservative.
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Freezic Vast
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Dahon wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:What is democracy has been highjacked though?


Oh for the love of Madokami spare me this

An accurate representation of Flutters right now.
20 year old, male from Pennsylvania and proud of it. Love sports like football, baseball and hockey, enjoy video games and TV. Music is love, music is life. I'm bi and conservative.
Nothing Breaks Like A Heart by Mark Ronson ft. Miley Cyrus
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The Flutterlands
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:09 pm

So gerrymandering is not hijacking Democracy?
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Political Compass
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77
Pros: Choice, Democracy, Liberatarianism, Populism, Secularism, Equal Rights, Contraceptives, Immigration, Environmentalism, Free Speech and Egalitarianism
Con: Communism, Fascism, SJW 'Feminism', Terrorism, Homophobia, Transphobia, Xenophobia, Death Penalty, Totalitarianism, Neoliberalism, and War.
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Insaeldor
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Insaeldor » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:13 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Destroying democracy is not how you do it.

What is democracy has been highjacked though?

You might want to read this
On Tyranny my Timothy Snyder is also a good read relevant here

Lesson here, you might think you're saving democracy, but in fact you are advocation the erosion of the most basic tennints of democracy, a government with a balanced separation of authority and power. In your hysteria you have advocated for the destruction of democracy, not the saving of it. You are blinded by your ideology so much so that you are willing to destroy what you want to protect and can't even see that.
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The Flutterlands
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:16 pm

Call me Flutters - Minister of Justice of the Federation of the Shy One - Fluttershy is best pony
Who I side with - My Discord - OC Pony - Pitch Black
White, American, Male, Asexual, Deist, Autistic with Aspergers and ADHD, Civil Liberatarian and Democratic Socialist, Brony and Whovian. I have Neurofibromatosis Type 1. I'm also INTJ
Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77
Pros: Choice, Democracy, Liberatarianism, Populism, Secularism, Equal Rights, Contraceptives, Immigration, Environmentalism, Free Speech and Egalitarianism
Con: Communism, Fascism, SJW 'Feminism', Terrorism, Homophobia, Transphobia, Xenophobia, Death Penalty, Totalitarianism, Neoliberalism, and War.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:16 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:So gerrymandering is not hijacking Democracy?

Given the representatives have the legal power to draw their own districts, and they were democratically elected, I wouldn't say so.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:17 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/29/were_living_in_a_rigged_system

Something must be done!

This is why I don't take anti-gerrymandering people seriously...

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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:18 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/29/were_living_in_a_rigged_system

Something must be done!

>democracy now

Oh wow you used an insanely partisan activist group to try and make a point.

Should I start using the heritage foundation as evidence now?
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The Flutterlands
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:19 pm

Arlenton wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:So gerrymandering is not hijacking Democracy?

Given the representatives have the legal power to draw their own districts, and they were democratically elected, I wouldn't say so.

So in other words you think they should rig elections so only they may win because they won?
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Who I side with - My Discord - OC Pony - Pitch Black
White, American, Male, Asexual, Deist, Autistic with Aspergers and ADHD, Civil Liberatarian and Democratic Socialist, Brony and Whovian. I have Neurofibromatosis Type 1. I'm also INTJ
Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77
Pros: Choice, Democracy, Liberatarianism, Populism, Secularism, Equal Rights, Contraceptives, Immigration, Environmentalism, Free Speech and Egalitarianism
Con: Communism, Fascism, SJW 'Feminism', Terrorism, Homophobia, Transphobia, Xenophobia, Death Penalty, Totalitarianism, Neoliberalism, and War.
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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:20 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Given the representatives have the legal power to draw their own districts, and they were democratically elected, I wouldn't say so.

So in other words you think they should rig elections so only they may win because they won?

So in other words you fail to see the nuance in people arguments and just read what you want to read because it suits your political world view?
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Dahon
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Postby Dahon » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:21 pm

Guys, please do as I did and put Flutter on your foe list -- he's not gonna change. He's been chastised again and again and again, and I need my peace of mind.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:22 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Given the representatives have the legal power to draw their own districts, and they were democratically elected, I wouldn't say so.

So in other words you think they should rig elections so only they may win because they won?

Well if the law says so, which in this case it does, sure.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:22 pm

Dahon wrote:Guys, please do as I did and put Flutter on you foe list -- he's not gonna change. He's been chastised again and again and again, and I need my peace of mind.

No reason to make them a foe. IMO.

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