US Midterm Election 2018 Megathread- It's Kavanaugh

[San Lumen]

Maybe I don't care if the Courts overstepped their authority. Gerrymandering in total favor of a political party is toxic and repugnant to democracy. The gerrymandering must end at all costs no matter what.

No im sorry but there must be rule of law. This was not a case of overstepping authority. This is a case of a party leader not respecting law and order and defying courts. Like what the Governor of Arkansas did after the Brown decision.

[San Lumen]

Maybe I don't care if the Courts overstepped their authority. Gerrymandering in total favor of a political party is toxic and repugnant to democracy. The gerrymandering must end at all costs no matter what.

Yeah, and disconnected moral paragons that are our courts dictating laws without any say of the actual people is even more toxic to democracy. Your solution is like drinking bleach because mommy put broccoli in your dinner and she already knows that you don't like broccoli!!!

So I guess by your logic Brown vs Board of Education was wrongly decided?

[Insaeldor]

Maybe I don't care if the Courts overstepped their authority. Gerrymandering in total favor of a political party is toxic and repugnant to democracy. The gerrymandering must end at all costs no matter what.

>I support democracy
>democratic boundaries on authority be DAMED I don't like this thing.

So your willing to destroy the fabric of our democracy to save it? Sounds like what every other authoritarian in history has said in order to get what they want. You are literally advocating to ignore the constitution and the limits of power in provides because you don't like this thing. branches of government over stepping their constitutionally boundaries is far more destructive to the American democracy because it sets an unhealthy mandate and proves the constitution fragile and unimportant to those with a partisan agenda.

[Telconi]

Yeah, and disconnected moral paragons that are our courts dictating laws without any say of the actual people is even more toxic to democracy. Your solution is like drinking bleach because mommy put broccoli in your dinner and she already knows that you don't like broccoli!!!

So I guess by your logic Brown vs Board of Education was wrongly decided?

By my logic your straw men are rediculous and trying to reason with you is miserable.

[San Lumen]

Maybe I don't care if the Courts overstepped their authority. Gerrymandering in total favor of a political party is toxic and repugnant to democracy. The gerrymandering must end at all costs no matter what.

>I support democracy
>democratic boundaries on authority be DAMED I don't like this thing.

So your willing to destroy the fabric of our democracy to save it? Sounds like what every other authoritarian in history has said in order to get what they want. You are literally advocating to ignore the constitution and the limits of power in provides because you don't like this thing. branches of government over stepping their constitutionally boundaries is far more destructive to the American democracy because it sets an unhealthy mandate and proves the constitution fragile and unimportant to those with a partisan agenda.

The court was completely in the right here. I do not agree with Flutterlands opinion.

[San Lumen]

So I guess by your logic Brown vs Board of Education was wrongly decided?

By my logic your straw men are rediculous and trying to reason with you is miserable.

I suggest you run for office in California this year with every crazy idea you've posted here.

[Dahon]

Honestly you would think someone working to be a lawyer would understand how things work.

Same here, although I would add Flutter simply doesn't have the temperament to be one.

[Telconi]

By my logic your straw men are rediculous and trying to reason with you is miserable.

I suggest you run for office in California this year with every crazy idea you've posted here.

Cool.

[Insaeldor]

>I support democracy
>democratic boundaries on authority be DAMED I don't like this thing.

So your willing to destroy the fabric of our democracy to save it? Sounds like what every other authoritarian in history has said in order to get what they want. You are literally advocating to ignore the constitution and the limits of power in provides because you don't like this thing. branches of government over stepping their constitutionally boundaries is far more destructive to the American democracy because it sets an unhealthy mandate and proves the constitution fragile and unimportant to those with a partisan agenda.

The court was completely in the right here. I do not agree with Flutterlands opinion.

I agree in so far as the court was right to issue the ruling. Everything else out of flutterlands mouth has done nothing but contradict his "devotion" to democracy because its effects are to destroy the democratic framework of America.

[San Lumen]

I suggest you run for office in California this year with every crazy idea you've posted here.

Cool.

So go put a campaign together then.

[Telconi]

Cool.

So go put a campaign together then.

No.

[The Flutterlands]

The court was completely in the right here. I do not agree with Flutterlands opinion.

I agree in so far as the court was right to issue the ruling. Everything else out of flutterlands mouth has done nothing but contradict his "devotion" to democracy because its effects are to destroy the democratic framework of America.

So what should be done if the Courts some how "overstepped" it's authority? Just let gerrymandering to continue despite it being so toxic and repugnant? Why? It could allow Republicans to unfairly hold onto power no matter what.

[San Lumen]

So go put a campaign together then.

No.

Why not? If you feel so strongly about things run for state legislature.

[San Lumen]

I agree in so far as the court was right to issue the ruling. Everything else out of flutterlands mouth has done nothing but contradict his "devotion" to democracy because its effects are to destroy the democratic framework of America.

So what should be done? Just let gerrymandering to continue despite it being so toxic and repugnant? Why? It could allow Republicans to unfairly hold onto power no matter what.

Follow the rule of law. Or do what Michigan is doing. They will be voting on a referendum to end gerrymandering in November and it has a strong possibility of passing

[Telconi]

No.

Why not? If you feel so strongly about things run for state legislature.

Because unlike your suggestion, I'm not stupid.

[San Lumen]

Why not? If you feel so strongly about things run for state legislature.

Because unlike your suggestion, I'm not stupid.

I dont follow how my suggestion means im stupid.

[Dahon]

So what should be done if the Courts some how "overstepped" it's authority? Just let gerrymandering to continue despite it being so toxic and repugnant? Why? It could allow Republicans to unfairly hold onto power no matter what.

What if the law is morally and democratically repugnant?

Address your problems with the law through the courts, peacefully protest, whatever, but for the love of all that is democratic and non-violent 1) know why the law is not on your side. beyond "we're immoral fucks, and we're dicking it in", which seems to be your go-to whenever something irks you; and 2) don't speak of overthrowing the government just because your jimmies were rustled, Flutter, for the umpteenth fucking time, Flutter.

Then try to change it?

Also you and San Lumen keep attacking the symptoms instead of the root cause; which is the voting system. The voting system needs to be changed and once it’s changed then gerrymandering becomes a thing of the past.

Jesus bloody fucking Christ on a meatstick Flutter why are you repeating yourself

[Insaeldor]

I agree in so far as the court was right to issue the ruling. Everything else out of flutterlands mouth has done nothing but contradict his "devotion" to democracy because its effects are to destroy the democratic framework of America.

So what should be done if the Courts some how "overstepped" it's authority? Just let gerrymandering to continue despite it being so toxic and repugnant? Why? It could allow Republicans to unfairly hold onto power no matter what.

>ignoring the fact democrats do it as we'll

Maybe destroying American democracy isn't the way to stop this? Maybe you're being irrational? Just listen to yourself man. You claim to be supporting democracy but you've advocated routes of "solutions" straight out of Dictatorships for Dummies.

[Freezic Vast]

>I support democracy
>democratic boundaries on authority be DAMED I don't like this thing.

So your willing to destroy the fabric of our democracy to save it? Sounds like what every other authoritarian in history has said in order to get what they want. You are literally advocating to ignore the constitution and the limits of power in provides because you don't like this thing. branches of government over stepping their constitutionally boundaries is far more destructive to the American democracy because it sets an unhealthy mandate and proves the constitution fragile and unimportant to those with a partisan agenda.

The court was completely in the right here. I do not agree with Flutterlands opinion.

And you are completely right here. The state Supreme Court ruled that this bill, which gerrymanders the map in favor of one political party over another, is unconstitutional, and what the Senate President is doing by not abiding to the rule of law is contempt, and should be kicked out as Senate president and sent to jail as such. If the Republicans can't get a judicial review for the new boundaries without gerrymandering, and this does cause a state constitutional crisis, then let the democratic process of the people vote. And with this major controversy, do not expect the Republicans to win new seats, they will easily lose seats in both houses, and they might lose seats in a local and national level too. Also, anyone expecting Tom Wolf to lose his governorship or Bob Casey to lose his Senate seat, it might not happen. Sad to see that 2016 was possibly the one year that this important piece of the blue wall fell, only to be stitched back up because of a stupid, law-breaking, unconstitutional action done by the state Senate President.

[The Flutterlands]

So what should be done if the Courts some how "overstepped" it's authority? Just let gerrymandering to continue despite it being so toxic and repugnant? Why? It could allow Republicans to unfairly hold onto power no matter what.

Address your problems with the law through the courts, peacefully protest, whatever, but for the love of all that is democratic and non-violent 1) know why the law is not on your side. beyond "we're immoral fucks, and we're dicking it in", which seems to be your go-to whenever something irks you; and 2) don't speak of overthrowing the government just because your jimmies were rustled, Flutter, for the umpteenth fucking time, Flutter.

Then try to change it?

Also you and San Lumen keep attacking the symptoms instead of the root cause; which is the voting system. The voting system needs to be changed and once it’s changed then gerrymandering becomes a thing of the past.

Jesus bloody fucking Christ on a meatstick Flutter why are you repeating yourself

Because everything is just pissing me off and every hope in sight to expel the toxic Congress keeps getting struck down by the Courts or refused by the state itself.

[San Lumen]

The court was completely in the right here. I do not agree with Flutterlands opinion.

And you are completely right here. The state Supreme Court ruled that this bill, which gerrymanders the map in favor of one political party over another, is unconstitutional, and what the Senate President is doing by not abiding to the rule of law is contempt, and should be kicked out as Senate president and sent to jail as such. If the Republicans can't get a judicial review for the new boundaries without gerrymandering, and this does cause a state constitutional crisis, then let the democratic process of the people vote. And with this major controversy, do not expect the Republicans to win new seats, they will easily lose seats in both houses, and they might lose seats in a local and national level too. Also, anyone expecting Tom Wolf to lose his governorship or Bob Casey to lose his Senate seat, it might not happen. Sad to see that 2016 was possibly the one year that this important piece of the blue wall fell, only to be stitched back up because of a stupid, law-breaking, unconstitutional action done by the state Senate President.

Hopefully they lose their majority in the state legislature. The State Senate will be tall order though. The Senate President needs to made an example of and fined and jailed for contempt of court.

[Telconi]

Because unlike your suggestion, I'm not stupid.

I dont follow how my suggestion means im stupid.

It would be difficult to follow something I never said.

[San Lumen]

I dont follow how my suggestion means im stupid.

It would be difficult to follow something I never said.

So why dont you run for state legislature then?

[San Lumen]

Jesus bloody fucking Christ on a meatstick Flutter why are you repeating yourself

Because everything is just pissing me off and every hope in sight to expel the toxic Congress keeps getting struck down by the Courts or refused by the state itself.

Destroying democracy is not how you do it.

[Freezic Vast]

Jesus bloody fucking Christ on a meatstick Flutter why are you repeating yourself

Because everything is just pissing me off and every hope in sight to expel the toxic Congress keeps getting struck down by the Courts or refused by the state itself.

Repeating your same talking point and argument is not gonna work though.