NATION

PASSWORD

US Midterm Election 2018 Megathread- It's Kavanaugh

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Who wins the AL-2 GOP Runoff on July 17th?

Rep. Martha Roby
16
42%
Bobby Bright
22
58%
 
Total votes : 38

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53348
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:26 pm

Page wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So if in your district the or state the Republican candidate was a literal Nazi or Neo Confederate like in Illinois 3rd or Virginia you'd sit out the election because the Democrat isn't liberal enough for you? This is why democrats lose elections. Republicans fall in line like sheep whereas Democrats don't unify and wont vote if their candidate doesnt win the primary or isn't far enough to the left for the,.


Depends on the circumstances. I did vote for Hillary Clinton, super bitterly and resentfully but I did. I'll vote for Nelson to keep his seat even though I'm positively disgusted with the fact that he voted to confirm a vile war criminal as CIA head, but I draw my lines when necessary.

Yes, Republicans do fall in line and I don't think general elections are the best place to get rid of Republicans with a D next to their name, primaries are. I want to see the Democratic Party taken over by real progressives like Alexandria-Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders, and Tulsi Gabbard, just like the Tea Party seized control of the Republican Party (with resounding success, the GOP won a huge majority in 2010).


The person who claims she's a socialist? That's a great way to kill the party, please do it.
Last edited by Washington Resistance Army on Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:26 pm

Valgora wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ok then dont cry or complain when a white supremacist/neo nazi or Neo Confederate gets elected.


I can fuckin' complain if I want to.

If you dont vote you dont have a right to complain.

User avatar
Aeken
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17135
Founded: Feb 12, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Aeken » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:Again, I refuse to vote for candidates that I don't like.
I'm not going to be a sheep for the Democrats. They've proven to me that they're shit just like the Republicans are.


Ok then dont cry or complain when a white supremacist/neo nazi or Neo Confederate gets elected.

If Democrats cannot convince people that those kinds of people are unelectable, then they have such poor outreach and a spineless ideology.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53348
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I can fuckin' complain if I want to.

If you dont vote you dont have a right to complain.


He said he'd vote third party.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
Valgora
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6632
Founded: Mar 23, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Valgora » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I can fuckin' complain if I want to.

If you dont vote you dont have a right to complain.

I don't have to vote in order to complain.
If there ain't a good third-party candidate or if there ain't one at all, that's when I won't vote for that race; I'm not going to fuckin' vote for a Democrat just because he's a Democrat.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
Last edited by Valgora on Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Libertarian Syndicalist
Not state capitalist

MT+FanT+some PMT
Multi-species.
Current gov't:
Founded 2023
Currently 2027

DISREGARD NS STATS
Link to factbooks-Forum Factbook-Q&A-Embassy
The Reverend Tim
Ordained Dudeist Priest
IRL Me
Luxemburgist/Syndicalist, brony, metalhead
Valgora =+/-IRL views
8 Values

Pro - Socialism/communism, Palestine, space exploration, left libertarianism, BLM, Gun Rights, LGBTQ, Industrial Hemp
Anti - Trump, Hillary, capitalism, authoritarianism, Gun Control, Police, UN, electric cars, Automation of the workforce
Sometimes, I like to think of myself as the Commie version of Dale Gribble.

User avatar
Freezic Vast
Minister
 
Posts: 3219
Founded: Jul 30, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Freezic Vast » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I can fuckin' complain if I want to.

If you dont vote you dont have a right to complain.

Then maybe both parties shouldn't pit trash candidates according to Val, are you just fucking ignorant, or what?
20 year old, male from Pennsylvania and proud of it. Love sports like football, baseball and hockey, enjoy video games and TV. Music is love, music is life. I'm bi and conservative.
Nothing Breaks Like A Heart by Mark Ronson ft. Miley Cyrus
Tired, and bored, need sleep.

User avatar
Page
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16837
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
Page wrote:
I vote for candidates whose policy positions match mine.


Exclusively?


Not exclusively, within reason.
Anarcho-Communist Against: Bolsheviks, Fascists, TERFs, Putin, Autocrats, Conservatives, Ancaps, Bourgeoisie, Bigots, Liberals, Maoists

I don't believe in kink-shaming unless your kink is submitting to the state.

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:28 pm

Valgora wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If you dont vote you dont have a right to complain.

I don't have to vote in order to complain.
If there ain't a good third-party candidate or if there ain't one at all; I'm not going to fuckin' vote for a Democrat just because he's a Democrat.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.


So when a White supremacist gets elected because people like you didn't vote you'd just say oh well pick a better candidate?

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53348
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:I don't have to vote in order to complain.
If there ain't a good third-party candidate or if there ain't one at all; I'm not going to fuckin' vote for a Democrat just because he's a Democrat.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.


So when a White supremacist gets elected because people like you didn't vote you'd just say oh well pick a better candidate?


Yeah, that's democracy for you.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
The Serbian Empire
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58107
Founded: Apr 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:30 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If you dont vote you dont have a right to complain.

Then maybe both parties shouldn't pit trash candidates according to Val, are you just fucking ignorant, or what?

That'd require removing the rights of Southerners who have a strong pro-Clinton skew in the primaries. I don't see that as any more democratic or proper.
LOVEWHOYOUARE~ WOMAN
Level 12 Myrmidon, Level ⑨ Tsundere, Level ✿ Hold My Flower
Bad Idea Purveyor
8 Values: https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=56.1&d=70.2&g=86.5&s=91.9
Political Compass: Economic -10.00 Authoritarian: -9.13
TG for Facebook if you want to friend me
Marissa, Goddess of Stratospheric Reach
preferred pronouns: Female ones
Primarily lesbian, but pansexual in nature

User avatar
Valgora
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6632
Founded: Mar 23, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Valgora » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:I don't have to vote in order to complain.
If there ain't a good third-party candidate or if there ain't one at all; I'm not going to fuckin' vote for a Democrat just because he's a Democrat.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.


So when a White supremacist gets elected because people like you didn't vote you'd just say oh well pick a better candidate?

That's one of the things I'll say. Because maybe they should pick better fuckin' candidates.
Libertarian Syndicalist
Not state capitalist

MT+FanT+some PMT
Multi-species.
Current gov't:
Founded 2023
Currently 2027

DISREGARD NS STATS
Link to factbooks-Forum Factbook-Q&A-Embassy
The Reverend Tim
Ordained Dudeist Priest
IRL Me
Luxemburgist/Syndicalist, brony, metalhead
Valgora =+/-IRL views
8 Values

Pro - Socialism/communism, Palestine, space exploration, left libertarianism, BLM, Gun Rights, LGBTQ, Industrial Hemp
Anti - Trump, Hillary, capitalism, authoritarianism, Gun Control, Police, UN, electric cars, Automation of the workforce
Sometimes, I like to think of myself as the Commie version of Dale Gribble.

User avatar
Freezic Vast
Minister
 
Posts: 3219
Founded: Jul 30, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Freezic Vast » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:I don't have to vote in order to complain.
If there ain't a good third-party candidate or if there ain't one at all; I'm not going to fuckin' vote for a Democrat just because he's a Democrat.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.


So when a White supremacist gets elected because people like you didn't vote you'd just say oh well pick a better candidate?

Oh would you spare us of your over-exaggerated hypotheticals already.
20 year old, male from Pennsylvania and proud of it. Love sports like football, baseball and hockey, enjoy video games and TV. Music is love, music is life. I'm bi and conservative.
Nothing Breaks Like A Heart by Mark Ronson ft. Miley Cyrus
Tired, and bored, need sleep.

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:32 pm

Valgora wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So when a White supremacist gets elected because people like you didn't vote you'd just say oh well pick a better candidate?

That's one of the things I'll say. Because maybe they should pick better fuckin' candidates.


do you know what a primary is? The voters chose the nominee. And sometimes only one person runs.

User avatar
Fahran
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19426
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Fahran » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I can fuckin' complain if I want to.

If you dont vote you dont have a right to complain.

That's now how this works.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

User avatar
Page
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16837
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:32 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:The person who claims she's a socialist? That's a great way to kill the party, please do it.


She is guaranteed to win the general election for that seat.

I keep hearing things like "They won't elect Democratic socialists in the midwest, only a moderate (corporate) Democrat can win". But my question is, if "moderate" Democrats are so viable in the midwest, why didn't Hillary Clinton take Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa?
Anarcho-Communist Against: Bolsheviks, Fascists, TERFs, Putin, Autocrats, Conservatives, Ancaps, Bourgeoisie, Bigots, Liberals, Maoists

I don't believe in kink-shaming unless your kink is submitting to the state.

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:32 pm

Page wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The person who claims she's a socialist? That's a great way to kill the party, please do it.


She is guaranteed to win the general election for that seat.

I keep hearing things like "They won't elect Democratic socialists in the midwest, only a moderate (corporate) Democrat can win". But my question is, if "moderate" Democrats are so viable in the midwest, why didn't Hillary Clinton take Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa?

People voting out of anger, racism and sexism.

User avatar
Freezic Vast
Minister
 
Posts: 3219
Founded: Jul 30, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Freezic Vast » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:33 pm

Page wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The person who claims she's a socialist? That's a great way to kill the party, please do it.


She is guaranteed to win the general election for that seat.

I keep hearing things like "They won't elect Democratic socialists in the midwest, only a moderate (corporate) Democrat can win". But my question is, if "moderate" Democrats are so viable in the midwest, why didn't Hillary Clinton take Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa?

...Because she wasn't a moderate?
20 year old, male from Pennsylvania and proud of it. Love sports like football, baseball and hockey, enjoy video games and TV. Music is love, music is life. I'm bi and conservative.
Nothing Breaks Like A Heart by Mark Ronson ft. Miley Cyrus
Tired, and bored, need sleep.

User avatar
Valgora
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6632
Founded: Mar 23, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Valgora » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:That's one of the things I'll say. Because maybe they should pick better fuckin' candidates.


do you know what a primary is? The voters chose the nominee. And sometimes only one person runs.

Yea, I know only one person sometimes runs.
Sometimes, only one person runs in an entire race.
I've literally seen some Republicans from AR run unopposed.

However, that shouldn't be an excuse to pick better candidates.
In fact, if someone runs unopposed in a primary and I don't like them, that's even more of a reason for me to not vote for them.
Libertarian Syndicalist
Not state capitalist

MT+FanT+some PMT
Multi-species.
Current gov't:
Founded 2023
Currently 2027

DISREGARD NS STATS
Link to factbooks-Forum Factbook-Q&A-Embassy
The Reverend Tim
Ordained Dudeist Priest
IRL Me
Luxemburgist/Syndicalist, brony, metalhead
Valgora =+/-IRL views
8 Values

Pro - Socialism/communism, Palestine, space exploration, left libertarianism, BLM, Gun Rights, LGBTQ, Industrial Hemp
Anti - Trump, Hillary, capitalism, authoritarianism, Gun Control, Police, UN, electric cars, Automation of the workforce
Sometimes, I like to think of myself as the Commie version of Dale Gribble.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53348
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:35 pm

Page wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The person who claims she's a socialist? That's a great way to kill the party, please do it.


She is guaranteed to win the general election for that seat.

I keep hearing things like "They won't elect Democratic socialists in the midwest, only a moderate (corporate) Democrat can win". But my question is, if "moderate" Democrats are so viable in the midwest, why didn't Hillary Clinton take Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa?


Because the entire Midwest has been shifting to the right for about 20 years now.

I would love for you lot to run actual democratic socialists, it'll be great to try and see them defend ideas like totally destroying our economic system and handing over control of every business to it's workers.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
Shrillland
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21058
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Shrillland » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:35 pm

Page wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The person who claims she's a socialist? That's a great way to kill the party, please do it.


She is guaranteed to win the general election for that seat.

I keep hearing things like "They won't elect Democratic socialists in the midwest, only a moderate (corporate) Democrat can win". But my question is, if "moderate" Democrats are so viable in the midwest, why didn't Hillary Clinton take Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa?


Because it's a new world, and the old labourite voters have become disillusioned with Democrats not being able to bring jobs back to them. You can't convince thousands of unemployed and underemployed here in the rust belt that manufacturing as they knew it is a thing of the past due to globalisation, environmentalism, and automation, so they voted for the guy who made the grandiose promises of tariffs and bringing factories back.
Last edited by Shrillland on Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
How America Came to This, by Kowani: Racialised Politics, Ideological Media Gaslighting, and What It All Means For The Future
Plebiscite Plaza 2023
Confused by the names I use for House districts? Here's a primer!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:38 pm

Valgora wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
do you know what a primary is? The voters chose the nominee. And sometimes only one person runs.

Yea, I know only one person sometimes runs.
Sometimes, only one person runs in an entire race.
I've literally seen some Republicans from AR run unopposed.

However, that shouldn't be an excuse to pick better candidates.
In fact, if someone runs unopposed in a primary and I don't like them, that's even more of a reason for me to not vote for them.


Why aren't you running then?

User avatar
Fahran
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19426
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Fahran » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:People voting out of anger, racism and sexism.

Your lack of clarity regarding political realities and overt disdain for your fellow citizens is quite alarming, and probably not conducive to successful outreach efforts. Perhaps begin by not assuming that people who voted for Trump are racist or sexist?
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 81228
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Page wrote:
She is guaranteed to win the general election for that seat.

I keep hearing things like "They won't elect Democratic socialists in the midwest, only a moderate (corporate) Democrat can win". But my question is, if "moderate" Democrats are so viable in the midwest, why didn't Hillary Clinton take Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa?


Because it's a new world, and the old labourite voters have become disillusioned with Democrats not being able to bring jobs back to them. You can't convince thousands of unemployed and underemployed here in the rust belt that manufacturing as they knew it is a thing of the past due to globalisation, environmentalism, and automation, so they voted for the guy who made the grandiose promises of tariffs and bringing factories back.

And hes started a trade war that will only cause more hurt for them.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53348
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Because it's a new world, and the old labourite voters have become disillusioned with Democrats not being able to bring jobs back to them. You can't convince thousands of unemployed and underemployed here in the rust belt that manufacturing as they knew it is a thing of the past due to globalisation, environmentalism, and automation, so they voted for the guy who made the grandiose promises of tariffs and bringing factories back.

And hes started a trade war that will only cause more hurt for them.


It's actually going quite well for us.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
Oil exporting People
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8281
Founded: Jan 31, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:40 pm

Fahran wrote:
San Lumen wrote:People voting out of anger, racism and sexism.

Your lack of clarity regarding political realities and overt disdain for your fellow citizens is quite alarming, and probably not conducive to successful outreach efforts. Perhaps begin by not assuming that people who voted for Trump are racist or sexist?


I take offense at assuming such motivations apply to the general populace; it takes away from my edge here.
Last edited by Oil exporting People on Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
National Syndicalist
“The blood of the heroes is closer to God than the ink of the philosophers and the prayers of the faithful.” - Julius Evola
Endorsing Greg "Grab 'em by the Neck" Gianforte and Brett "I Like Beer" Kavanaugh for 2020

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Duvniask, Joss, Kon XXI, Senscaria

Advertisement

Remove ads