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Who wins the AL-2 GOP Runoff on July 17th?

Rep. Martha Roby
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:47 pm

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Id gladly vote for a socialist over a literal Nazi.


And I’m going to vote for the Libertarian candidate...if there is one. If not, I’m not going to vote at all.


Then dont cry or complain when someone like Arthur Jones wins the election

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:48 pm

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And I’m going to vote for the Libertarian candidate...if there is one. If not, I’m not going to vote at all.


Then dont cry or complain when someone like Arthur Jones wins the election


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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
And I’m going to vote for the Libertarian candidate...if there is one. If not, I’m not going to vote at all.


Then dont cry or complain when someone like Arthur Jones wins the election


Libertarians take votes away from Republicans more often than Democrats. We should be boosting Libertarians at every chance we get.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:00 pm

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Then dont cry or complain when someone like Arthur Jones wins the election


Libertarians take votes away from Republicans more often than Democrats. We should be boosting Libertarians at every chance we get.

Not anymore. No one who strongly supports open borders and living document will be voting Republican regardless
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:04 pm

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Libertarians take votes away from Republicans more often than Democrats. We should be boosting Libertarians at every chance we get.

Not anymore. No one who strongly supports open borders and living document will be voting Republican regardless


Not necessarily true. There are still old-style Republicans who believe in small government and unfettered free enterprise, and a lot of them voted Libertarian back in 2016. Remember, Gary Johnson did manage to get around 5 million votes, many of them from disaffected Republicans who stood on principles yet didn't want to be caught up in the Trump malaise. And who said that Libertarians believed in the living document?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:07 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Not anymore. No one who strongly supports open borders and living document will be voting Republican regardless


Not necessarily true. There are still old-style Republicans who believe in small government and unfettered free enterprise, and a lot of them voted Libertarian back in 2016. Remember, Gary Johnson did manage to get around 5 million votes, many of them from disaffected Republicans who stood on principles yet didn't want to be caught up in the Trump malaise. And who said that Libertarians believed in the living document?

Libertarians believe in a bigger Federal regulation of state government. No paleolibertarian would touch the Libertarian Party
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Postby Valgora » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:10 pm

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Not necessarily true. There are still old-style Republicans who believe in small government and unfettered free enterprise, and a lot of them voted Libertarian back in 2016. Remember, Gary Johnson did manage to get around 5 million votes, many of them from disaffected Republicans who stood on principles yet didn't want to be caught up in the Trump malaise. And who said that Libertarians believed in the living document?

Libertarians believe in a bigger Federal regulation of state government. No paleolibertarian would touch the Libertarian Party


How do libertarians believe in more federal regulation of state governments?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:14 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Libertarians believe in a bigger Federal regulation of state government. No paleolibertarian would touch the Libertarian Party


How do libertarians believe in more federal regulation of state governments?

The LP believes in retconning the Constitution to force same-sex marriage and abortion and so forth on the states. This is a complete break from paleolibertarians like Ron Paul.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:28 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Valgora wrote:
How do libertarians believe in more federal regulation of state governments?

The LP believes in retconning the Constitution to force same-sex marriage and abortion and so forth on the states. This is a complete break from paleolibertarians like Ron Paul.


No, to Libertarians, it means less federal interference and a restoration of 10th Amendment principles concerning states' rights since, as they see it, it is not in the federal government's purview to manage these kinds of things.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:32 pm

Shrillland wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The LP believes in retconning the Constitution to force same-sex marriage and abortion and so forth on the states. This is a complete break from paleolibertarians like Ron Paul.


No, to Libertarians, it means less federal interference and a restoration of 10th Amendment principles concerning states' rights since, as they see it, it is not in the federal government's purview to manage these kinds of things.

The LP doesn't actually stand for that anymore, claiming they are more concerned with individual rights than states' rights. Right-libertarians, in other words, are not really represented by the LP
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:34 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Valgora wrote:
How do libertarians believe in more federal regulation of state governments?

The LP believes in retconning the Constitution to force same-sex marriage and abortion and so forth on the states. This is a complete break from paleolibertarians like Ron Paul.


Why are you so against the 14th amendment?
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Postby Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:36 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
No, to Libertarians, it means less federal interference and a restoration of 10th Amendment principles concerning states' rights since, as they see it, it is not in the federal government's purview to manage these kinds of things.

The LP doesn't actually stand for that anymore, claiming they are more concerned with individual rights than states' rights. Right-libertarians, in other words, are not really represented by the LP


Wrong, the Libertarian party supports state rights in regards to gay marriage and abortion. Just because someone personally supports abortion rights and gay marriage does not mean they want to abolish state rights.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:37 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:The LP believes in retconning the Constitution to force same-sex marriage and abortion and so forth on the states. This is a complete break from paleolibertarians like Ron Paul.


Why are you so against the 14th amendment?

I'm against "living document" interpretation of it
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:37 pm

Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The LP doesn't actually stand for that anymore, claiming they are more concerned with individual rights than states' rights. Right-libertarians, in other words, are not really represented by the LP


Wrong, the Libertarian party supports state rights in regards to gay marriage and abortion. Just because someone personally supports abortion rights and gay marriage does not mean they want to abolish state rights.

LP supports the rulings in question iirc
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:38 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Why are you so against the 14th amendment?

I'm against "living document" interpretation of it


It's not really a living document interpretation to take it as it's written.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I'm against "living document" interpretation of it


It's not really a living document interpretation to take it as it's written.

No indeed, that would be very right wing and limit "protection" to just that.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The LP believes in retconning the Constitution to force same-sex marriage and abortion and so forth on the states. This is a complete break from paleolibertarians like Ron Paul.


Why are you so against the 14th amendment?

A lot of conservatives have historically despised the 14th amendment ever since it was ratified, probably because it's too pro-freedom, renders state-level oppression unconstitutional and something-something equal rights are bad.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Why are you so against the 14th amendment?

A lot of conservatives have historically despised the 14th amendment ever since it was ratified, probably because it's too pro-freedom, renders state-level oppression unconstitutional and something-something equal rights are bad.

No one would have supported it if they knew it would be completely repurposed as it has been.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:53 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:A lot of conservatives have historically despised the 14th amendment ever since it was ratified, probably because it's too pro-freedom, renders state-level oppression unconstitutional and something-something equal rights are bad.

No one would have supported it if they knew it would be completely repurposed as it has been.

I don't remember the constitution having asterisks.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:55 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:A lot of conservatives have historically despised the 14th amendment ever since it was ratified, probably because it's too pro-freedom, renders state-level oppression unconstitutional and something-something equal rights are bad.

No one would have supported it if they knew it would be completely repurposed as it has been.

It literally says no state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law. How is it been misinterpreted or repurposed?

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:16 pm

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Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
And I’m going to vote for the Libertarian candidate...if there is one. If not, I’m not going to vote at all.


Then dont cry or complain when someone like Arthur Jones wins the election

Don't worry, he won't. Lipinski is going nowhere. Plus, It's a federal election so one person doesn't matter. You can probably count on one hand the number of times one vote has mattered.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:17 pm

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Then dont cry or complain when someone like Arthur Jones wins the election

Don't worry, he won't. Lipinski is going nowhere. Plus, It's a federal election so one person doesn't matter. You can probably count on one hand the number of times one vote has mattered.

If enough people decide not to vote because the Democrat isn't liberal enough for them thats how he could win. I do not view any election as written in stone anymore.

One vote decided control of the Virginia House of Delegates last year.

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Don't worry, he won't. Lipinski is going nowhere. Plus, It's a federal election so one person doesn't matter. You can probably count on one hand the number of times one vote has mattered.

If enough people decide not to vote because the Democrat isn't liberal enough for them thats how he could win. I do not view any election as written in stone anymore.

One vote decided control of the Virginia House of Delegates last year.

No, he won't win. This is a district no republican has held in over 40 years. Enough of the fear mongering. This happens everytime we get a candidate who's a terrible person. First comes the media coverage, then the endless freakouts and insistence he's totally going to win. Then he gets trashed. I seem to remember certain people on this forum insisting Don Blankenship would win. How'd that prediction work out? Also, I said federal election. Last time I checked the Virginia house of delegates is not a part of congress.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:58 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If enough people decide not to vote because the Democrat isn't liberal enough for them thats how he could win. I do not view any election as written in stone anymore.

One vote decided control of the Virginia House of Delegates last year.

No, he won't win. This is a district no republican has held in over 40 years. Enough of the fear mongering. This happens everytime we get a candidate who's a terrible person. First comes the media coverage, then the endless freakouts and insistence he's totally going to win. Then he gets trashed. I seem to remember certain people on this forum insisting Don Blankenship would win. How'd that prediction work out? Also, I said federal election. Last time I checked the Virginia house of delegates is not a part of congress.


They said Trump would never win either.

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:07 pm

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The Republic of Fore wrote:No, he won't win. This is a district no republican has held in over 40 years. Enough of the fear mongering. This happens everytime we get a candidate who's a terrible person. First comes the media coverage, then the endless freakouts and insistence he's totally going to win. Then he gets trashed. I seem to remember certain people on this forum insisting Don Blankenship would win. How'd that prediction work out? Also, I said federal election. Last time I checked the Virginia house of delegates is not a part of congress.


They said Trump would never win either.

Yeah, but Trump was running against someone who's a proven loser. Different scenario.

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