US Midterm Election 2018 Megathread- It's Kavanaugh

[Valrifell]

So the President of Pennsylvania Senate has said he will not abide by the order to redraw the congressional map claiming the State Supreme Court usurped its authority
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def ... -Order.pdf

Its rather frighting when you have members of a political party who dont seem to believe in the rule of law or the independence of courts. I hope he is held in contempt of court.

I can kind of understand that argument because the legislature is supposed to be independent too, and here the court is trying to tell the legislature how to function.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So the President of Pennsylvania Senate has said he will not abide by the order to redraw the congressional map claiming the State Supreme Court usurped its authority
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def ... -Order.pdf

Its rather frighting when you have members of a political party who dont seem to believe in the rule of law or the independence of courts. I hope he is held in contempt of court.

Republicans have no respect for free and open elections.

Oh good god in heaven now two of you are doing it. Please stop.

There are liberal originalists. Hell, a very famous liberal originalist named Akhil Amar has had his work cited by the court dozens of times.

Just call it anti-federalism for the historical references. It's not like calling yourself an anti-federalist would be dramatically off the mark.

Eh, I feel like originalism is a better name for the position. Just my opinion though.

[San Lumen]

So the President of Pennsylvania Senate has said he will not abide by the order to redraw the congressional map claiming the State Supreme Court usurped its authority
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def ... -Order.pdf

Its rather frighting when you have members of a political party who dont seem to believe in the rule of law or the independence of courts. I hope he is held in contempt of court.

I can kind of understand that argument because the legislature is supposed to be independent too, and here the court is trying to tell the legislature how to function.

The legislature has to abide by the court and the legislative map violated the state constitution. Refusing to abide by a court order is what got Kim Davis tossed in jail.

[Thermodolia]

So the President of Pennsylvania Senate has said he will not abide by the order to redraw the congressional map claiming the State Supreme Court usurped its authority
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def ... -Order.pdf

Its rather frighting when you have members of a political party who dont seem to believe in the rule of law or the independence of courts. I hope he is held in contempt of court.

Republicans have no respect for free and open elections.

Again with this nonsense?

[San Lumen]

Republicans have no respect for free and open elections.

Again with this nonsense?

well what do you call what the President of the State Senate did?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Again with this nonsense?

well what do you call what the President of the State Senate did?

Understandable to a point.

[San Lumen]

well what do you call what the President of the State Senate did?

Understandable to a point.

How? The congressional map violated the State Constitution and now the President of the Senate is refusing to abide by the court order. Sounds like clear case of contempt of court.

[Thermodolia]

I can kind of understand that argument because the legislature is supposed to be independent too, and here the court is trying to tell the legislature how to function.

The legislature has to abide by the court and the legislative map violated the state constitution. Refusing to abide by a court order is what got Kim Davis tossed in jail.

Not any way remotely similar. The judicial branch doesn’t have the authority to tell the legislative branch what to do. They can strike down laws and such but they cannot tell another branch of government what to do.

The fact that you think they should be able to is frightening

[Thermodolia]

Again with this nonsense?

well what do you call what the President of the State Senate did?

Completely rational

[Washington Resistance Army]

Understandable to a point.

How? The congressional map violated the State Constitution and now the President of the Senate is refusing to abide by the court order. Sounds like clear case of contempt of court.

The legislature is also independent. The court can't order them around.

[The Flutterlands]

well what do you call what the President of the State Senate did?

Completely rational

Ignoring the Courts to respect Democracy is rational?

[Thermodolia]

Understandable to a point.

How? The congressional map violated the State Constitution and now the President of the Senate is refusing to abide by the court order. Sounds like clear case of contempt of court.

If you would come out and just say that you support a one party state it would make things a lot easier

[Thermodolia]

Completely rational

Ignoring the Courts to respect Democracy is rational?

The courts aren’t the only branch of government. They can’t order the legislature around

[MERIZoC]

Ignoring the Courts to respect Democracy is rational?

The courts aren’t the only branch of government. They can’t order the legislature around

They literally can.

[Insaeldor]

Completely rational

Ignoring the Courts to respect Democracy is rational?

The courts do not hold absolute authority over legislatures. It's called checks and balances and if a court has the ability to simply tell the legislature what to do we know longer have these checks and balances. I don't agree that the Penn senates Pres's authority was "usurped" and I think the court is in the right here. However that doesn't mean the legislatures has to healed to the authority of court simply because it's a court. It has the right to chalange the court because it's independent of the court. Just the same as the executive can and the courts can as well.

[MERIZoC]

So the President of Pennsylvania Senate has said he will not abide by the order to redraw the congressional map claiming the State Supreme Court usurped its authority
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def ... -Order.pdf

Its rather frighting when you have members of a political party who dont seem to believe in the rule of law or the independence of courts. I hope he is held in contempt of court.

arrest his ass

[Thermodolia]

The courts aren’t the only branch of government. They can’t order the legislature around

They literally can.

No they literally cannot. The courts can only rule on the laws, they can’t force the legislature to do anything.

[MERIZoC]

They literally can.

No they literally cannot. The courts can only rule on the laws, they can’t force the legislature to do anything.

By law they can. If the legislature refuses, they are in the wrong and have caused a constitutional crisis.

[Telconi]

No they literally cannot. The courts can only rule on the laws, they can’t force the legislature to do anything.

By law they can. If the legislature refuses, they are in the wrong and have caused a constitutional crisis.

Nice opinion...

[Freezic Vast]

Absolutely despicable for the PA state Senate Republicans to continue doing this in my state. This gerrymandering has to stop, we should have an independent, non-partisan commission to draw the boundaries based on population size/density, not base it on race, religion, ethnicity, etc. And it's not just Republicans (Although they do most of the gerrymandering anyway) no party in control should be able to draw up boundaries to favor their own party, especially when you have districts that are horribly constructed, like Illinois' 4th, Maryland's 3rd, North Carolina's 12th, 4th, and 1st, and my favorite Pennsylvania's 11th, which being my own district, stretches from as far north as Wyoming county, to as far south as Cumberland county and the outskirts of the state capital.

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wpsu/files/styles/x_large/public/201705/e99b5e_9af00fabc9cb4290886d0bd398a5b635_mv2_0.png

I hope the Senate State President get's tried for contempt in court, he deserves it for violating the state constitution and violating the rule of law that the courts ordered him to do and change the map. I guess this means three things for Republicans in PA then. A) they won't hold onto their majority in the state legislature for much longer, B) they won't be gaining the Democratic Senate seat here, and C) The chances of them knocking out Tom Wolf for governor might not happen.

[Thermodolia]

No they literally cannot. The courts can only rule on the laws, they can’t force the legislature to do anything.

By law they can. If the legislature refuses, they are in the wrong and have caused a constitutional crisis.

Yet again it’s completely shocking how the anarchist doesn’t agree with legal precedent. Absolutely shocking

[Dahon]

The legislature is also independent. The court can't order them around.

Well yeah, but how to address the issue (gerrymandered districts) then without the PA legislature construing it as the court "ordering them around" before the midterm elections?

[The Flutterlands]

Ignoring the Courts to respect Democracy is rational?

The courts aren’t the only branch of government. They can’t order the legislature around

Gah. No respect for free and open elections. You must support the gerrymandering, least you would be on my side and the Courts.

[Insaeldor]

The legislature is also independent. The court can't order them around.

Well yeah, but how to address the issue (gerrymandered districts) then without the PA legislature construing it as the court "ordering them around" before the midterm elections?

An informed electorate will make the choice, legal proceeding will continue, honestly once the Supreme Court lays down is decision in the Wisconsin case it will make it a lot harder politically for this to continue.

[Telconi]

The courts aren’t the only branch of government. They can’t order the legislature around

Gah. No respect for free and open elections. You must support the gerrymandering, least you would be on my side and the Courts.

Let's be real here, opposing your hysterics is likely a positive indicator of a person.