US Midterm Election 2018 Megathread- It's Kavanaugh

[Conserative Morality]

I don't know much about your first statement, but I fully agree with your second. At some point, you have to face this logical disconnect.
You can't keep voting for the same millionaire and think the body of millionaires that the United States Congress is is terrible... Because it is filled with millionaires.

People in America dislike Congresscritters and Congress, but like *their* Congresscritter. Generally.

[Telconi]

If voting for someone I dislike is bad, how is voting for someone I like even less good?

Then your system isn't working. In a healthy democracy, your options shouldn't, always, election after election, be between someone I dislike vs. someone I dislike even more.

And anyway, if most Americans dislike a member of the American Congress because they are too rich and disconnected from "regular" people, then I don't know what they could do, considering the average congressperson was a millionaire in 2015, and I don't think the situation has changed since. At least not for the better.

Welllllll........be wary of some people here making the claim of voting and not liking as they have railed about it being wrong voting for the lessor of two evils (don't remember if Telc is one of those).

Americans are funny with their support. MY guy is honest! Now that SOB over there is a corrupt bastard. A version of "not in my back yard" and the fact that most politicians understand taking care of their district.

I don't know much about your first statement, but I fully agree with your second. At some point, you have to face this logical disconnect.
You can't keep voting for the same millionaire and think the body of millionaires that the United States Congress is is terrible... Because it is filled with millionaires.

IIRC the majority of Congress are not millionaires...

[Olerand]

I don't know much about your first statement, but I fully agree with your second. At some point, you have to face this logical disconnect.
You can't keep voting for the same millionaire and think the body of millionaires that the United States Congress is is terrible... Because it is filled with millionaires.

People in America dislike Congresscritters and Congress, but like *their* Congresscritter. Generally.

Then it is useless to complain about it.

[Morgantown West Virginia]

So Ocasio-Cortez is a member of the Democratic Socialists and the Democrats? [/quote]


Yes, the Democratic Socialists are not really a political party, as all of their endorsed candidates run on the Democratic ticket. Unless I am mistaken which I could be.

[Olerand]

Then your system isn't working. In a healthy democracy, your options shouldn't, always, election after election, be between someone I dislike vs. someone I dislike even more.

And anyway, if most Americans dislike a member of the American Congress because they are too rich and disconnected from "regular" people, then I don't know what they could do, considering the average congressperson was a millionaire in 2015, and I don't think the situation has changed since. At least not for the better.


I don't know much about your first statement, but I fully agree with your second. At some point, you have to face this logical disconnect.
You can't keep voting for the same millionaire and think the body of millionaires that the United States Congress is is terrible... Because it is filled with millionaires.

IIRC the majority of Congress are not millionaires...

Again, in 2015, the median wealth was 1,1 million. That means half had 1,1 million dollars and above. Add in the amount that had less than 1,1 million, but still somewhere around 1 million, and you've got a a majority.
That's on the low end sure, but it's still a millionaire.

[Galloism]

Then your system isn't working. In a healthy democracy, your options shouldn't, always, election after election, be between someone I dislike vs. someone I dislike even more.

And anyway, if most Americans dislike a member of the American Congress because they are too rich and disconnected from "regular" people, then I don't know what they could do, considering the average congressperson was a millionaire in 2015, and I don't think the situation has changed since. At least not for the better.


I don't know much about your first statement, but I fully agree with your second. At some point, you have to face this logical disconnect.
You can't keep voting for the same millionaire and think the body of millionaires that the United States Congress is is terrible... Because it is filled with millionaires.

IIRC the majority of Congress are not millionaires...

Not quite true. It's a very very slim majority.

The median net worth of a member of Congress was $1,029,505 in 2013 — a 2.5 percent increase from 2012 — compared with an average American household’s median net worth of $56,355. Once again, the majority of members of Congress are millionaires — 271 of the 533 members currently in office, or 50.8 percent.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/0 ... m-average/

[Conserative Morality]

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Then it is useless to complain about it.

"It's useless to complain about a state of affairs in the hopes of changing it"

Hm.

[Olerand]

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Then it is useless to complain about it.

"It's useless to complain about a state of affairs in the hopes of changing it"

Hm.

In the hopes of changing it by voting for your millionaire representative again?

You're not changing anything, you're just complaining.

[Telconi]

IIRC the majority of Congress are not millionaires...

Not quite true. It's a very very slim majority.

The median net worth of a member of Congress was $1,029,505 in 2013 — a 2.5 percent increase from 2012 — compared with an average American household’s median net worth of $56,355. Once again, the majority of members of Congress are millionaires — 271 of the 533 members currently in office, or 50.8 percent.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/0 ... m-average/

And here I thought my pauper representative was the norm.

[Conserative Morality]

Again, in 2015, the median wealth was 1,1 million. That means half had 1,1 million dollars and above. Add in the amount that had less than 1,1 million, but still somewhere around 1 million, and you've got a a majority.
That's on the low end sure, but it's still a millionaire.

A million doesn't actually mean much in America, particularly not when you have to effectively hold residence in two cities. About 5% of Americans are millionaires.

[Telconi]

"It's useless to complain about a state of affairs in the hopes of changing it"

Hm.

In the hopes of changing it by voting for your millionaire representative again?

You're not changing anything, you're just complaining.

As opposed to not voting in the hopes of changing it?

[The Black Forrest]

Then your system isn't working. In a healthy democracy, your options shouldn't, always, election after election, be between someone I dislike vs. someone I dislike even more.

And anyway, if most Americans dislike a member of the American Congress because they are too rich and disconnected from "regular" people, then I don't know what they could do, considering the average congressperson was a millionaire in 2015, and I don't think the situation has changed since. At least not for the better.


I don't know much about your first statement, but I fully agree with your second. At some point, you have to face this logical disconnect.
You can't keep voting for the same millionaire and think the body of millionaires that the United States Congress is is terrible... Because it is filled with millionaires.

IIRC the majority of Congress are not millionaires...

If this site is to be believed. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/0 ... m-average/

A little more then half were in 2017.

CBS had something in 2012 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-con ... ires-club/

The House brings down the percentage due to the turn over and the numbers.

Now the Senate is probably has more then half.....

[Conserative Morality]

In the hopes of changing it by voting for your millionaire representative again?

You're not changing anything, you're just complaining.

Who said I was voting for my millionaire representative again?

[Olerand]

IIRC the majority of Congress are not millionaires...

Not quite true. It's a very very slim majority.

The median net worth of a member of Congress was $1,029,505 in 2013 — a 2.5 percent increase from 2012 — compared with an average American household’s median net worth of $56,355. Once again, the majority of members of Congress are millionaires — 271 of the 533 members currently in office, or 50.8 percent.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/0 ... m-average/

It was a little above 1 million in 2013, around 1,1 million in 2015. So by now is should be around 1,2 million too, if the same trend has continued.

In the hopes of changing it by voting for your millionaire representative again?

You're not changing anything, you're just complaining.

Who said I was voting for my millionaire representative again?

I am unsure when my comment was directed to you? It was directed to Telconi and Thermodolia, who complained about millionaires but thought voting for someone else was worse.

In the hopes of changing it by voting for your millionaire representative again?

You're not changing anything, you're just complaining.

As opposed to not voting in the hopes of changing it?

As opposed to, again, as I have previously stated, voting for someone else.

Not voting is generally bad.

Voting for someone else is possible. Even in an unjust two-party, first past the post system. Even primaries exist, those are a thing of sorts.

[Telconi]

Interesting note, on the net worth thing, the congressman for the district I do a lot of work in is the state's poorest. With a net worth of -17.5 Million.

[Olerand]

Interesting note, on the net worth thing, the congressman for the district I do a lot of work in is the state's poorest. With a net worth of -17.5 Million.

He owes 17 and a half million dollars?

[Telconi]

Interesting note, on the net worth thing, the congressman for the district I do a lot of work in is the state's poorest. With a net worth of -17.5 Million.

He owes 17 and a half million dollars?

Yes, he owns two farms, each worth about a million, and has 19.5 million in liabilities, mostly loans related to keeping those farms running.

[Olerand]

He owes 17 and a half million dollars?

Yes, he owns two farms, each worth about a million, and has 19.5 million in liabilities, mostly loans related to keeping those farms running.

... OK... I wish him the best.

[Telconi]

Yes, he owns two farms, each worth about a million, and has 19.5 million in liabilities, mostly loans related to keeping those farms running.

... OK... I wish him the best.

Yeah, a lot of the farms got hit hard by the draught, many are in debt and will be for a long time.

[Luminesa]

Not quite true. It's a very very slim majority.



https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/0 ... m-average/

And here I thought my pauper representative was the norm.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.

[Luminesa]

Not voting is generally bad.

Voting for someone else is possible. Even in an unjust two-party, first past the post system. Even primaries exist, those are a thing of sorts.

I say people should vote for the smaller parties more often. Except the Green Party because they’re insane.

[Corrian]

So the Democrat vs any Republican in the Arizona Senate Race has a double digit lead.

The likely Democratic nominee, U.S. Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, holds a double-digit lead over all of her potential opponents, according to an NBC/Marist poll. In a hypothetical contest with Rep. Martha McSally, Sinema gets 49 percent of support among registered voters, compared with 38 percent for the Republican candidate.

The Democratic representative has a 10-percentage point edge — 48 percent to 38 percent — over physician and former state legislator Kelli Ward. Sinema's lead balloons to 25 percentage points — 57 percent to 32 percent — against former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

The race for the GOP nomination appears tight ahead of the August 28 primary. McSally garners 30 percent of support among the potential Republican electorate, compared with 28 percent for Ward and 21 percent for Arpaio, according to the poll.

Also info on the ones in Ohio and Florida.

In Ohio, incumbent Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown holds a comfortable lead in his race against GOP Rep. Jim Renacci. More than half of respondents, 51 percent, say they would prefer Brown, versus 38 percent for Renacci.

In Florida, incumbent Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson garners 49 percent of support among registered voters, versus 45 percent for Republican Gov. Rick Scott, an NBC/Marist survey says. The race, one of 10 this year where a Democrat defends a seat in a state Trump won in 2016, has already attracted a whopping $9 million in outside spending, according to the Federal Election Commission.

[Freezic Vast]

Florida is going to be THE Senate race of the year, and maybe the closest one.

[Corrian]

What views are questionable?

In regards to campus rape Polis said that if 10 people are accused that we should accept the accusations at face value alone and punish all 10. Plus his odd support of bitcoin

That first one is weird, but Bitcoin is the future )))

[Olerand]

Voting for someone else is possible. Even in an unjust two-party, first past the post system. Even primaries exist, those are a thing of sorts.

I say people should vote for the smaller parties more often. Except the Green Party because they’re insane.

Many smaller parties are insane. That is a generally good rule anywhere really.

So the Democrat vs any Republican in the Arizona Senate Race has a double digit lead.

The likely Democratic nominee, U.S. Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, holds a double-digit lead over all of her potential opponents, according to an NBC/Marist poll. In a hypothetical contest with Rep. Martha McSally, Sinema gets 49 percent of support among registered voters, compared with 38 percent for the Republican candidate.

The Democratic representative has a 10-percentage point edge — 48 percent to 38 percent — over physician and former state legislator Kelli Ward. Sinema's lead balloons to 25 percentage points — 57 percent to 32 percent — against former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

The race for the GOP nomination appears tight ahead of the August 28 primary. McSally garners 30 percent of support among the potential Republican electorate, compared with 28 percent for Ward and 21 percent for Arpaio, according to the poll.

Also info on the ones in Ohio and Florida.

In Ohio, incumbent Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown holds a comfortable lead in his race against GOP Rep. Jim Renacci. More than half of respondents, 51 percent, say they would prefer Brown, versus 38 percent for Renacci.

In Florida, incumbent Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson garners 49 percent of support among registered voters, versus 45 percent for Republican Gov. Rick Scott, an NBC/Marist survey says. The race, one of 10 this year where a Democrat defends a seat in a state Trump won in 2016, has already attracted a whopping $9 million in outside spending, according to the Federal Election Commission.

I'll trust the polls when I see the results.

In regards to campus rape Polis said that if 10 people are accused that we should accept the accusations at face value alone and punish all 10. Plus his odd support of bitcoin

That first one is weird, but Bitcoin is the future )))

Have you invested in that market as well?