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Separating urban and rural America.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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The solution is very simple compromise and working together in the legislature. You dont achieve what you want by creating an unequally represented legislature or making certain votes count more than others.


"Compromise" and "working together" is dead in the United States.

I am aware. But what Ors Might and others are suggesting or implying is unconstitutional and undemocratic.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:05 pm

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It's quite sad that you're incapable of respecting other people's beliefs or values simply because they're not your own. As for "not wanting" to marginalize me, why are you doing so? You are dismissing my most cherished values as if they are nothing, simply because you don't personally value them, I don't dismiss your values. I don't actively try to deprive you of marriage rights, or anything else, despite the fact that it's a right that has no value to me. But you do, and then you belittle and insult me for being upset about it.

You're as much of a close minded bigot as they people who drag away those gay men in Russia. Fully convinced theyre doing the "right" thing. And you're as blind to it as they are.

Im not dismissing them im asking you to put things in prospective. I dont want to take your guns away nor does anyone else.

You said earlier you want to see cities have less political power than you and among other comments but you weren't being dismissive. But me asking you to put things in prospective compared to other things that being dismissive got it


Fwiw Democrats from his state have openly said they're coming to take his guns.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
"Compromise" and "working together" is dead in the United States.

I am aware. But what Ors Might and others are suggesting or implying is unconstitutional and undemocratic.

An idea does not become wrong by virtue of being undemocratic. We have limitations on democracy and for good reason.
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Separating urban and rural America.

Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:06 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Im not dismissing them im asking you to put things in prospective. I dont want to take your guns away nor does anyone else.

You said earlier you want to see cities have less political power than you and among other comments but you weren't being dismissive. But me asking you to put things in prospective compared to other things that being dismissive got it


Fwiw Democrats from his state have openly said they're coming to take his guns.

Amazing everything you just said in that statement was wrong

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Fwiw Democrats from his state have openly said they're coming to take his guns.

Amazing everything you just said in that statement was wrong


Gavin Newsom (Democratic LT governor of California) literally posted on Facebook a few weeks ago that he was coming for the NRA's guns because he blames them for everything wrong ever. Screw off with the snark.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
"Compromise" and "working together" is dead in the United States.

I am aware. But what Ors Might and others are suggesting or implying is unconstitutional and undemocratic.


Then the constitution should be changed...
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I am aware. But what Ors Might and others are suggesting or implying is unconstitutional and undemocratic.


Then the constitution should be changed...

to what? What would you change?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Amazing everything you just said in that statement was wrong


Gavin Newsom (Democratic LT governor of California) literally posted on Facebook a few weeks ago that he was coming for the NRA's guns because he blames them for everything wrong ever. Screw off with the snark.

the LT governor has no power

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gavin Newsom (Democratic LT governor of California) literally posted on Facebook a few weeks ago that he was coming for the NRA's guns because he blames them for everything wrong ever. Screw off with the snark.

the LT governor has no power


Shame that doesn't change the fact that everything you said was wrong :^)
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Amazing everything you just said in that statement was wrong


Gavin Newsom (Democratic LT governor of California) literally posted on Facebook a few weeks ago that he was coming for the NRA's guns because he blames them for everything wrong ever. Screw off with the snark.

*Googles*
Huh.
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/ ... 6823535616
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Then the constitution should be changed...

to what? What would you change?


Disqualify tyrannical people from holding office?
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-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:to what? What would you change?


Disqualify tyrannical people from holding office?

Oh and who to you define as tyrannical? Anyone who disagrees with you?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Disqualify tyrannical people from holding office?

Oh and who to you define as tyrannical?


Gun control advocates for starters, amongst others.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Oh and who to you define as tyrannical?


Gun control advocates for starters, amongst others.

Oh so anyone who believes a certain thing should be denied public office. Who else would be barred from office? Anything else you like to change?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Gun control advocates for starters, amongst others.

Oh so anyone who believes a certain thing should be denied public office. Anything else you like to change?


Nope, pretty much that...
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Gun control advocates for starters, amongst others.

Oh so anyone who believes a certain thing should be denied public office. Who else would be barred from office? Anything else you like to change?

Gommunists.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Oh so anyone who believes a certain thing should be denied public office. Anything else you like to change?


Nope, pretty much that...

Oh so people who disagree with your views are barred from running for office? Sounds like you just want a dictatorship or one party rule. Go ask people in or from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Belarus how wonderful that is.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:19 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Oh so anyone who believes a certain thing should be denied public office. Who else would be barred from office? Anything else you like to change?

Gommunists.


I fully support this change, the Communist and Socialists parties and any variant thereof should be declared criminal organizations.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Nope, pretty much that...

Oh so people who disagree with your views are barred from running for office? Sounds like you just want a dictatorship or one party rule. Go ask people in or from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Belarus how wonderful that is.


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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Nope, pretty much that...

Oh so people who disagree with your views are barred from running for office? Sounds like you just want a dictatorship or one party rule. Go ask people in or from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Belarus how wonderful that is.


If it's my party in charge I think it will be fine.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Gommunists.


I fully support this change, the Communist and Socialists parties and any variant thereof should be declared criminal organizations.

So you admit you want a one party dictatorship?

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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I fully support this change, the Communist and Socialists parties and any variant thereof should be declared criminal organizations.

So you admit you want a one party dictatorship?

TIL that banning revolutionary ideologies means you support a one-party dictatorship
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I fully support this change, the Communist and Socialists parties and any variant thereof should be declared criminal organizations.

So you admit you want a one party dictatorship?


I'm open to it if said party is close to my ideals and beliefs.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So you admit you want a one party dictatorship?


I'm open to it if said party is close to my ideals and beliefs.


So anyone who holds different views should have no say in the government. Those evil people in King County and the coast of Washington should be denied representation in the state legislature including your town?

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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm open to it if said party is close to my ideals and beliefs.


So anyone who holds different views should have no say in the government. Those evil people in King County and the coast of Washington should be denied representation in the state legislature including your town?

Given that you don't want them evil farmers to have say in government, it's only fair.
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