Separating urban and rural America.

[Telconi]

It's quite sad that you're incapable of respecting other people's beliefs or values simply because they're not your own. As for "not wanting" to marginalize me, why are you doing so? You are dismissing my most cherished values as if they are nothing, simply because you don't personally value them, I don't dismiss your values. I don't actively try to deprive you of marriage rights, or anything else, despite the fact that it's a right that has no value to me. But you do, and then you belittle and insult me for being upset about it.

You're as much of a close minded bigot as they people who drag away those gay men in Russia. Fully convinced theyre doing the "right" thing. And you're as blind to it as they are.

Im not dismissing them im asking you to put things in prospective. I dont want to take your guns away nor does anyone else.

You said earlier you want to see cities have less political power than you and among other comments but you weren't being dismissive. But me asking you to put things in prospective compared to other things that being dismissive got it

When did I day I wanted to take political power? Also, it is in perspective, guns are more important that elections. Period. That is the perspective...

[San Lumen]

Im not dismissing them im asking you to put things in prospective. I dont want to take your guns away nor does anyone else.

You said earlier you want to see cities have less political power than you and among other comments but you weren't being dismissive. But me asking you to put things in prospective compared to other things that being dismissive got it

When did I day I wanted to take political power? Also, it is in perspective, guns are more important that elections. Period. That is the perspective...

I proposed a system giving you more power over the evil city folk and you agreed with it. You dismissed everything about my city and my values.

Yet somehow im being dismissive when i say its crazy you see oppression as being unable to buy guns and bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented. You have the right to own a gun. In most advanced nations you can't even buy a pistol yet your somehow oppressed by the evil people in Sacramento.

[Galima]

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. Russia has rigged elections, its illegal to be gay in many countries like Belarus, Nigeria, or Uganda.

I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

Nice work plagiarizing material. Didn't even quote the guy. As for your point... Not being able to but bullets is also the blight of millions worldwide. North Korea, south Korea, and Mexico to name a few. One if those isn't in constant political turmoil. And all three have populations well in the millions. That's not including the millions of people JUST in San Francisco or L.A.

[Agrination]

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. Russia has rigged elections, its illegal to be gay in many countries like Belarus, Nigeria, or Uganda.

I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

Nice work plagiarizing material. Didn't even quote the guy. As for your point... Not being able to but bullets is also the blight of millions worldwide. North Korea, south Korea, and Mexico to name a few. One if those isn't in constant political turmoil. And all three have populations well in the millions. That's not including the millions of people JUST in San Francisco or L.A.

Sorry. San lumen was saying he wasn't using perspective to dismiss rights. I bolded his word to show his hypocrisy

[Telconi]

When did I day I wanted to take political power? Also, it is in perspective, guns are more important that elections. Period. That is the perspective...

I proposed a system giving you more power over the evil city folk and you agreed with it. You dismissed everything about my city and my values.

Yet somehow im being dismissive when i say its crazy you see oppression as being unable to buy guns and bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented. You have the right to own a gun. In most advanced nations you can't even buy a pistol yet your somehow oppressed by the evil people in Sacramento.

I have no desire to take anything from you, quite the contrary. I simply desire that you, and voters like you, stop taking from me. If push comes to shove, I'll willingly skew the system as much as necessary to make it happen, but that's hardly the ideal.

[Proctopeo]

"I'm not dismissing your values, but the government further depriving you of your most important value isn't oppression"

How does that make sense?

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. Russia has rigged elections, its illegal to be gay in many countries like Belarus, Nigeria, or Uganda.

I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

Ah, the starving children in Africa argument.
You rarely see it because most people are self-aware enough to know it's a terrible argument.

[MGTOWia]

Yeah pre Reynolds v Sims was better when urban areas were shafted out of their fair share of representation in favor of rural areas for reasons including racism, perceived notion that land area mattered more, and that certain groups mattered more that others. The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.

Ah back when the '3/5 of a person' were used to vote against their own rights.

The 3/5 Compromise was included to DILUTE the Congressional representation of slave states, who wanted a full count of all residents, slave or free.

You really don't know much about the Constitution, do you?

[MGTOWia]

Ultra-extreme left-wingers have corrupted most large urban areas. And through them, much of the judiciary, academia and the entertainment industry. Want to see the future of blue urban America? Look at Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, the Big Rotten Apple and LA for starters. Oh, and Denver, which just decriminalized public defecation.

Anything that would separate blue Congressional districts from red districts would be a good thing. I don't consider leftists to be fellow Americans at this point, and don't want them having any say over my life. And I'm sure many of them reciprocate. So it's time for a divorce.

Go run for office and make that a central part of your platform.

Sorry, I'm too busy going my own way. But I'd vote for someone who ran on such a platform.

[MGTOWia]

California absolutely proves that a state gets to punish rural people for wrongthink if there's enough support for it...

No its called democracy. The coast has more people therefore they get the most representatives and Sacramento passes legislation accordingly. The rural parts of the state dont have that much population therefore the districts are smaller and less populated. Thats how representative democracy works.

Which is PRECISELY why the Fool's Golden State needs to be split up.

[Torrocca]

Would much prefer rural and urban America unite under the banner of social and economic equality and BTFO the capitalists tbh

[San Lumen]

I proposed a system giving you more power over the evil city folk and you agreed with it. You dismissed everything about my city and my values.

Yet somehow im being dismissive when i say its crazy you see oppression as being unable to buy guns and bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented. You have the right to own a gun. In most advanced nations you can't even buy a pistol yet your somehow oppressed by the evil people in Sacramento.

I have no desire to take anything from you, quite the contrary. I simply desire that you, and voters like you, stop taking from me. If push comes to shove, I'll willingly skew the system as much as necessary to make it happen, but that's hardly the ideal.

What exactly is being taking from you?

[Hurdergaryp]

I have no desire to take anything from you, quite the contrary. I simply desire that you, and voters like you, stop taking from me. If push comes to shove, I'll willingly skew the system as much as necessary to make it happen, but that's hardly the ideal.

What exactly is being taking from you?

What San Lumen said. Specify items, amounts and market value.

[Telconi]

What exactly is being taking from you?

What San Lumen said. Specify items, amounts and market value.

It's a right. It doesn't have monetary market value, and if that's the only thing you care about I see no point in engaging with you.

[Genivaria]

Ah back when the '3/5 of a person' were used to vote against their own rights.

The 3/5 Compromise was included to DILUTE the Congressional representation of slave states, who wanted a full count of all residents, slave or free.

You really don't know much about the Constitution, do you?

'defending the 3/5 Compromise because 'hey the slavers wanted more'.
Yeah okay.

[San Lumen]

What San Lumen said. Specify items, amounts and market value.

It's a right. It doesn't have monetary market value, and if that's the only thing you care about I see no point in engaging with you.

all you've talked about it how you can't buy bullets for a few days. Big deal. has anyone taken your guns? No?

Then what exactly have people like me taken from you? You've failed to give a good answer. You seem like a one issue person and care about nothing but your guns.

[Telconi]

It's a right. It doesn't have monetary market value, and if that's the only thing you care about I see no point in engaging with you.

all you've talked about it how you can't buy bullets for a few days. Big deal. has anyone taken your guns? No?

Then what exactly have people like me taken from you? You've failed to give a good answer. You seem like a one issue person and care about nothing but your guns.

[San Lumen]

all you've talked about it how you can't buy bullets for a few days. Big deal. has anyone taken your guns? No?

Then what exactly have people like me taken from you? You've failed to give a good answer. You seem like a one issue person and care about nothing but your guns.

give a concrete example of what people like me take from you. Thus far you've not given a good answer and keep whining about bullets.

[Ors Might]

It's a right. It doesn't have monetary market value, and if that's the only thing you care about I see no point in engaging with you.

all you've talked about it how you can't buy bullets for a few days. Big deal. has anyone taken your guns? No?

Then what exactly have people like me taken from you? You've failed to give a good answer. You seem like a one issue person and care about nothing but your guns.

Do you not see any moral quandary in making it more difficult to exercise a right, even if temporary, without a fair trade off?

[San Lumen]

all you've talked about it how you can't buy bullets for a few days. Big deal. has anyone taken your guns? No?

Then what exactly have people like me taken from you? You've failed to give a good answer. You seem like a one issue person and care about nothing but your guns.

Do you not see any moral quandary in making it more difficult to exercise a right, even if temporary, without a fair trade off?

A new law was implemented. Telconi will be able to buy his/her precious bullets soon. They have failed thus failed so far to give a good answer as to what evil city people like me take from them.

[Ors Might]

Do you not see any moral quandary in making it more difficult to exercise a right, even if temporary, without a fair trade off?

A new law was implemented. Telconi will be able to buy his/her precious bullets soon. They have failed thus failed so far to give a good answer as to what evil city people like me take from them.

Even so, the restricting of a Constitutional right is not something to be done lightly. Even if temporary. If this law was enacted by a state government more representative of city people than rural people, then his complaint is justified.

[San Lumen]

A new law was implemented. Telconi will be able to buy his/her precious bullets soon. They have failed thus failed so far to give a good answer as to what evil city people like me take from them.

Even so, the restricting of a Constitutional right is not something to be done lightly. Even if temporary. If this law was enacted by a state government more representative of city people than rural people, then his complaint is justified.

No one has taken anything. Its also how democracy works. The coast of California is more populated therefore it gets more representation that simple. Democracy isn't a bargaining chip.

[Ors Might]

Even so, the restricting of a Constitutional right is not something to be done lightly. Even if temporary. If this law was enacted by a state government more representative of city people than rural people, then his complaint is justified.

No one has taken anything. Its also how democracy works. The coast of California is more populated therefore it gets more representation that simple. Democracy isn't a bargaining chip.

You’ve been told what his issue with urban voters is. It doesn’t matter if that’s how democracy works if it’s causing a significant number of people to be screwed over in the process. Democracy isn’t a goal in and of itself but an attempt at making a better society.

[Conserative Morality]

No one has taken anything. Its also how democracy works. The coast of California is more populated therefore it gets more representation that simple. Democracy isn't a bargaining chip.

You’ve been told what his issue with urban voters is. It doesn’t matter if that’s how democracy works if it’s causing a significant number of people to be screwed over in the process. Democracy isn’t a goal in and of itself but an attempt at making a better society.

"Democracy, but only when it favors me."

Wonderful. CSA, is that you?

[Ors Might]

You’ve been told what his issue with urban voters is. It doesn’t matter if that’s how democracy works if it’s causing a significant number of people to be screwed over in the process. Democracy isn’t a goal in and of itself but an attempt at making a better society.

"Democracy, but only when it favors me."

Wonderful. CSA, is that you?

That’s not what I said. Maybe I should have been more clear but I don’t value democracy for it’s own sake. If the current system has issues then it should change. For the record I don’t think the Electoral College is the best solution for fixing the lack of representation rural Americans would face otherwise but I don’t know what to replace it with.

[Telconi]

give a concrete example of what people like me take from you. Thus far you've not given a good answer and keep whining about bullets.

Your complete lack of understanding has eliminated any possibility of discussion.