Separating urban and rural America.

[Telconi]

You've litreally done all those things multiple times over now. So, I'm legitimately curious why you hate me.

once again i never said I hated you. Your not giving a good answer. So you can't buy bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented big deal. Thats not oppression. I dont think you know what it is.

How else does the evil people in the capital oppress you.

Would you consider it oppressive if the government banned everyone in the state from using the Internet for "a few days"?

What about if it banned them going to church?

What if it banned homosexuals from being intimate with their partners?

Maybe it banned voting?

If yes, why would you consider any of those oppressive, while the banning of a right more important than all of those combined is okay?

[Agrination]

We already listed reasons earlier in thread move on

No merely abstract concepts but nothing concrete.

Cover Crops
Bioreactor
New water Systems
Obama called puddles in fields property of US

These are all laws financially harming or have harmed farmers

[San Lumen]

once again i never said I hated you. Your not giving a good answer. So you can't buy bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented big deal. Thats not oppression. I dont think you know what it is.

How else does the evil people in the capital oppress you.

Would you consider it oppressive if the government banned everyone in the state from using the Internet for "a few days"?

What about if it banned them going to church?

What if it banned homosexuals from being intimate with their partners?

Maybe it banned voting?

If yes, why would you consider any of those oppressive, while the banning of a right more important than all of those combined is okay?

Yes those would all be oppressive. Has your state government done any of that? No? Then how are you being oppressed if you can't buy bullets for a few days while the new law is implemented. Im trying heard not to be biased but it seems all you care about is your guns.

When you come from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Sudan you can talk about oppression. You not being able to buy bullets does not even come close to what people from those countries dealt with.

[L a z y T o w n]

How did this become a gun control argument?

[San Lumen]

How did this become a gun control argument?

its not really a gun control argument. Its a discussion about state government the rural/urban divide.

[Telconi]

Would you consider it oppressive if the government banned everyone in the state from using the Internet for "a few days"?

What about if it banned them going to church?

What if it banned homosexuals from being intimate with their partners?

Maybe it banned voting?

If yes, why would you consider any of those oppressive, while the banning of a right more important than all of those combined is okay?

Yes those would all be oppressive. Has your state government done any of that? No? Then how are you being oppressed if you can't buy bullets for a few days while the new law is implemented. Im trying heard not to be biased but it seems all you care about is your guns.

When you come from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Sudan you can talk about oppression. You not being able to buy bullets does not even come close to what people from those countries dealt with.

So my most valued right, the very core of my ethical code doesn't count, but you shitposting on NSG does...

And yet somehow that isn't being dismissive of my values...

[United Muscovite Nations]

Would you consider it oppressive if the government banned everyone in the state from using the Internet for "a few days"?

What about if it banned them going to church?

What if it banned homosexuals from being intimate with their partners?

Maybe it banned voting?

If yes, why would you consider any of those oppressive, while the banning of a right more important than all of those combined is okay?

Yes those would all be oppressive. Has your state government done any of that? No? Then how are you being oppressed if you can't buy bullets for a few days while the new law is implemented. Im trying heard not to be biased but it seems all you care about is your guns.

When you come from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Sudan you can talk about oppression. You not being able to buy bullets does not even come close to what people from those countries dealt with.

And all you care about is your gay sex and voting. One constitutional right being stripped away is oppression just like stripping away any other is.

[San Lumen]

Yes those would all be oppressive. Has your state government done any of that? No? Then how are you being oppressed if you can't buy bullets for a few days while the new law is implemented. Im trying heard not to be biased but it seems all you care about is your guns.

When you come from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Sudan you can talk about oppression. You not being able to buy bullets does not even come close to what people from those countries dealt with.

So my most valued right, the very core of my ethical code doesn't count, but you shitposying on NSG does...

And yet somehow that isn't being dismissive of my values...

Are you guns being taken away? No? Then your not being oppressed. Im so sorry that for a few days you can't buy bullets and you see that as oppressed when there are people who truly are yet you see your plight as somehow equal to them. Sad.

[San Lumen]

Yes those would all be oppressive. Has your state government done any of that? No? Then how are you being oppressed if you can't buy bullets for a few days while the new law is implemented. Im trying heard not to be biased but it seems all you care about is your guns.

When you come from Eritrea, Uzbekistan or Sudan you can talk about oppression. You not being able to buy bullets does not even come close to what people from those countries dealt with.

And all you care about is your gay sex and voting. One constitutional right being stripped away is oppression just like stripping away any other is.

I care about plenty of other things besides that.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And all you care about is your gay sex and voting. One constitutional right being stripped away is oppression just like stripping away any other is.

I care about plenty of other things besides that.

Evidently not people's right to bear arms though.

[Agrination]

San lumens again ignores my solid laws that oppress rural areas when asked how citites oppress rural areas

[San Lumen]

I care about plenty of other things besides that.

Evidently not people's right to bear arms though.

I didn't say that.

[Telconi]

So my most valued right, the very core of my ethical code doesn't count, but you shitposying on NSG does...

And yet somehow that isn't being dismissive of my values...

Are you guns being taken away? No? Then your not being oppressed. Im so sorry that for a few days you can't buy bullets and you see that as oppressed when there are people who truly are yet you see your plight as somehow equal to them. Sad.

But that's totally not dismissive of my values right?

Because you'd never do that...

[San Lumen]

Are you guns being taken away? No? Then your not being oppressed. Im so sorry that for a few days you can't buy bullets and you see that as oppressed when there are people who truly are yet you see your plight as somehow equal to them. Sad.

But that's totally not dismissive of my values right?

Because you'd never do that...

No its not dismissive. Your not giving a good argument.

[The South Falls]

I just love how throughout this whole argument between Telconi and San Lumen, both of their titles under their post number have to do with the diplomatic debate...

[Telconi]

But that's totally not dismissive of my values right?

Because you'd never do that...

No its not dismissive. Your not giving a good argument.

"I'm not dismissing your values, but the government further depriving you of your most important value isn't oppression"

How does that make sense?

[San Lumen]

No its not dismissive. Your not giving a good argument.

"I'm not dismissing your values, but the government further depriving you of your most important value isn't oppression"

How does that make sense?

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. Russia has rigged elections, its illegal to be gay in many countries like Belarus, Nigeria, or Uganda.

I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

[Galima]

medicine and ammunition are not in the same league.

Look. Arms kill. We regulate cocaine, we regulate cyanide, so shouldn't we regulate arms, that kill, more than just assault rifles?

The problem with that logic is that, most gun crimes are committed by people in illegal possession of a firearm, typically stolen, with a smaller number acquired via straw purchase.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... out-crime/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... es-commit/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... g3gx2isyCc. (DOWNLOAD LINK)


Not the most reliable sources (save the DOJ one) but they illustrate the point.

[Telconi]

"I'm not dismissing your values, but the government further depriving you of your most important value isn't oppression"

How does that make sense?

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

Guns are more important than elections, or free press, or free assemnly, or whatever the gay people on southern Russia are doing.

[Agrination]

"I'm not dismissing your values, but the government further depriving you of your most important value isn't oppression"

How does that make sense?

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. Russia has rigged elections, its illegal to be gay in many countries like Belarus, Nigeria, or Uganda.

I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

I have a cold. Better not treat it because people are dying of cancer & malaria.

[San Lumen]

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

Guns are more important than elections, or free press, or free assemnly, or whatever the gay people on southern Russia are doing.

Its quite sad that you value your guns over all that and you can't put things in prospective and want to see all those who disagree with you marginalized. I dont want to marginalize you.

[San Lumen]

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. Russia has rigged elections, its illegal to be gay in many countries like Belarus, Nigeria, or Uganda.

I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

I have a cold. Better not treat it because people are dying of cancer & malaria.

Never said that.

[Telconi]

Guns are more important than elections, or free press, or free assemnly, or whatever the gay people on southern Russia are doing.

Its quite sad that you value your guns over all that and you can't put things in prospective and want to see all those who disagree with you marginalized. I dont want to marginalize you.

It's quite sad that you're incapable of respecting other people's beliefs or values simply because they're not your own. As for "not wanting" to marginalize me, why are you doing so? You are dismissing my most cherished values as if they are nothing, simply because you don't personally value them, I don't dismiss your values. I don't actively try to deprive you of marriage rights, or anything else, despite the fact that it's a right that has no value to me. But you do, and then you belittle and insult me for being upset about it.

You're as much of a close minded bigot as they people who drag away those gay men in Russia. Fully convinced theyre doing the "right" thing. And you're as blind to it as they are.

[Agrination]

You can't buy bullets for a few days meanwhile gay men in Southern Russia are being rounded up, Eritrea has no press freedom, free speech, or free assembly and no elections. Russia has rigged elections, its illegal to be gay in many countries like Belarus, Nigeria, or Uganda.

I could give plenty of other examples of oppression. You not being able to buy bullets for a few days doesn't even compare to to the blight of millions worldwide. Put things in prospective.

[San Lumen]

Its quite sad that you value your guns over all that and you can't put things in prospective and want to see all those who disagree with you marginalized. I dont want to marginalize you.

It's quite sad that you're incapable of respecting other people's beliefs or values simply because they're not your own. As for "not wanting" to marginalize me, why are you doing so? You are dismissing my most cherished values as if they are nothing, simply because you don't personally value them, I don't dismiss your values. I don't actively try to deprive you of marriage rights, or anything else, despite the fact that it's a right that has no value to me. But you do, and then you belittle and insult me for being upset about it.

You're as much of a close minded bigot as they people who drag away those gay men in Russia. Fully convinced theyre doing the "right" thing. And you're as blind to it as they are.

Im not dismissing them im asking you to put things in prospective. I dont want to take your guns away nor does anyone else.

You said earlier you want to see cities have less political power than you and among other comments but you weren't being dismissive. But me asking you to put things in prospective compared to other things that being dismissive got it