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Oil exporting People
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:suburbs in my metro area shrinking. What is the truth then?


You do this a lot.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:


You have insulted my core values. You have dismissed my beliefs, values, and morals as invalid. You have justified why ruining my life is okay. You have advocated for others inflicting misery upon me.

If you don't hate me than I feel sorry for the people in your life.

I have done nothing of the sort. You have yet to give a valid answer for how the evil city folk oppress you.

You... literally had an example of where you insulted Telconi's core values and dismissed his beliefs and values as invalid.
You've done many things of the sort.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:


You have insulted my core values. You have dismissed my beliefs, values, and morals as invalid. You have justified why ruining my life is okay. You have advocated for others inflicting misery upon me.

If you don't hate me than I feel sorry for the people in your life.

I have done nothing of the sort. You have yet to give a valid answer for how the evil city folk oppress you.


>I don't hate you...

>Human rights violations against you are fine tho...
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I have done nothing of the sort. You have yet to give a valid answer for how the evil city folk oppress you.


>I don't hate you...

>Human rights violations against you are fine tho...

Tell me how your state government is oppressing your human rights

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
>I don't hate you...

>Human rights violations against you are fine tho...

Tell me how your state government is oppressing your human rights


Not. Allowed. To. Buy. Ammunition.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:53 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Tell me how your state government is oppressing your human rights


Not. Allowed. To. Buy. Ammunition.

thats all?

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Not. Allowed. To. Buy. Ammunition.

thats all?


I need more than the single most important human right?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:thats all?


I need more than the single most important human right?

buying ammunition isn't a human right. How else is Sacramento oppressing you?

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The Great-German Empire
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I need more than the single most important human right?

buying ammunition isn't a human right. How else is Sacramento oppressing you?


If medicine is somehow a "human right", so is keeping and bearing arms and every type of supply needed for said arms. Be unbiased here.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:57 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:
San Lumen wrote:buying ammunition isn't a human right. How else is Sacramento oppressing you?


If medicine is somehow a "human right", so is keeping and bearing arms and every type of supply needed for said arms. Be unbiased here.


Only his values are real...
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I need more than the single most important human right?

buying ammunition isn't a human right. How else is Sacramento oppressing you?


Source?
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The Great-German Empire
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:00 pm

Telconi wrote:Only his values are real...


Sadly, all too many people don't realize that not all valid values are the same as their values.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:00 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:buying ammunition isn't a human right. How else is Sacramento oppressing you?


Source?

I can't give one as its not recognized as a human right. You have a right to keep and bear arms but its not an unlimited right to any and all firearms. Please try again. How is the state government oppressing you?

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The Great-German Empire
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Source?

I can't give one as its not recognized as a human right. You have a right to keep and bear arms but its not an unlimited right to any and all firearms. Please try again. How is the state government oppressing you?


It is oppressing him by restricting that right unduly. How would you feel if you were only able to use medical solutions invented prior to, say, 1968?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Source?

I can't give one as its not recognized as a human right. You have a right to keep and bear arms but its not an unlimited right to any and all firearms. Please try again. How is the state government oppressing you?

"Shall not be infringed" sounds like a mandate that any infringement on it is a violation.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:02 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I can't give one as its not recognized as a human right. You have a right to keep and bear arms but its not an unlimited right to any and all firearms. Please try again. How is the state government oppressing you?


It is oppressing him by restricting that right unduly. How would you feel if you were only able to use medical solutions invented prior to, say, 1968?

medicine and ammunition are not in the same league.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Source?

I can't give one as its not recognized as a human right. You have a right to keep and bear arms but its not an unlimited right to any and all firearms. Please try again. How is the state government oppressing you?


Y'know, part of me wishes I could be as blindly close minded as you...

It would be so much easier to just dismiss your values and decide that what you held dear didn't count.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Great-German Empire wrote:
It is oppressing him by restricting that right unduly. How would you feel if you were only able to use medical solutions invented prior to, say, 1968?

medicine and ammunition are not in the same league.


Well, right, one of them is a human right, and one of them is a consumer product that treats illness...
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-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:05 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I can't give one as its not recognized as a human right. You have a right to keep and bear arms but its not an unlimited right to any and all firearms. Please try again. How is the state government oppressing you?


Y'know, part of me wishes I could be as blindly close minded as you...

It would be so much easier to just dismiss your values and decide that what you held dear didn't count.

So that your restricted from buying ammo for your gun for a few days is oppressive? Get real. Give a better answer as to how your being oppressed by the evil people in Sacramento.

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Great-German Empire wrote:
It is oppressing him by restricting that right unduly. How would you feel if you were only able to use medical solutions invented prior to, say, 1968?

medicine and ammunition are not in the same league.

Look. Arms kill. We regulate cocaine, we regulate cyanide, so shouldn't we regulate arms, that kill, more than just assault rifles?
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Postby Agrination » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Great-German Empire wrote:
It is oppressing him by restricting that right unduly. How would you feel if you were only able to use medical solutions invented prior to, say, 1968?

medicine and ammunition are not in the same league.


Yeah guys, you don't know the tiers of laws & rights? Some are somehow more important than others. You should know this.

& yes we should regulate arms obviously. But every law abiding healty should be able to get a gun & ammo if he chooses too.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Y'know, part of me wishes I could be as blindly close minded as you...

It would be so much easier to just dismiss your values and decide that what you held dear didn't count.

So that your restricted from buying ammo for your gun for a few days is oppressive? Get real. Give a better answer as to how your being oppressed by the evil people in Sacramento.



I have done nothing of the sort.


You've litreally done all those things multiple times over now. So, I'm legitimately curious why you hate me.
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So that your restricted from buying ammo for your gun for a few days is oppressive? Get real. Give a better answer as to how your being oppressed by the evil people in Sacramento.



I have done nothing of the sort.


You've litreally done all those things multiple times over now. So, I'm legitimately curious why you hate me.

once again i never said I hated you. Your not giving a good answer. So you can't buy bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented big deal. Thats not oppression. I dont think you know what it is.

How else does the evil people in the capital oppress you.

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Postby Agrination » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:



You've litreally done all those things multiple times over now. So, I'm legitimately curious why you hate me.

once again i never said I hated you. Your not giving a good answer. So you can't buy bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented big deal. Thats not oppression. I dont think you know what it is.

How else does the evil people in the capital oppress you.


We already listed reasons earlier in thread move on

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:11 pm

Agrination wrote:
San Lumen wrote:once again i never said I hated you. Your not giving a good answer. So you can't buy bullets for a few days while a new law is implemented big deal. Thats not oppression. I dont think you know what it is.

How else does the evil people in the capital oppress you.


We already listed reasons earlier in thread move on

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