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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:35 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No its not possible. D.C is unique as specified in the constitution as federal district not part of of any state. Their ability to pass laws is subject to approval by Congress but rarely are they overturned. Trying to do something like that for other places would probably violate state sovereignty and more likely the constitution.


Hence why we would do a Constitutional movement; we've already been over this and this discussion is about policy ideas.

You'd never get something like that passed.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:You'd never get something like that passed.


Given this is a policy discussion thread, it's all hypotheticals.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:38 pm

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Hence why we would do a Constitutional movement; we've already been over this and this discussion is about policy ideas.

You'd never get something like that passed.

And punishing the rural areas who voted for the "wrong" candidate won't fly either, but that isn't stopping you...
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:39 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You'd never get something like that passed.

And punishing the rural areas who voted for the "wrong" candidate won't fly either, but that isn't stopping you...

I dont want to punish anyone. I believe in one man, one vote unlike some here.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:40 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You'd never get something like that passed.

And punishing the rural areas who voted for the "wrong" candidate won't fly either, but that isn't stopping you...


California absolutely proves that a state gets to punish rural people for wrongthink if there's enough support for it...
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And punishing the rural areas who voted for the "wrong" candidate won't fly either, but that isn't stopping you...


California absolutely proves that a state gets to punish rural people for wrongthink if there's enough support for it...

No its called democracy. The coast has more people therefore they get the most representatives and Sacramento passes legislation accordingly. The rural parts of the state dont have that much population therefore the districts are smaller and less populated. Thats how representative democracy works.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
California absolutely proves that a state gets to punish rural people for wrongthink if there's enough support for it...

No its called democracy. The coast has more people therefore they get the most representatives and Sacramento passes legislation accordingly. The rural parts of the state dont have that much population therefore the districts are smaller and less populated. Thats how representative democracy works.


Yup, glorious democracy, with enough voters you can literally make life miserable for the losing side, because they lost...

You're probably the most convincing advocate for fascism I've ever encountered...
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And punishing the rural areas who voted for the "wrong" candidate won't fly either, but that isn't stopping you...


California absolutely proves that a state gets to punish rural people for wrongthink if there's enough support for it...

Have you ruled out the possibility that the vast majority of people had a good reason to leave the rural areas and move to the urban ones?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:01 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Telconi wrote:
California absolutely proves that a state gets to punish rural people for wrongthink if there's enough support for it...

Have you ruled out the possibility that the vast majority of people had a good reason to leave the rural areas and move to the urban ones?


And that's relevant because?
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:02 pm

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If you force other people to practice your subjective opinions, you are wrong and immoral.


That's every politician ever. If you want an anarchy, you'll have to go elsewhere.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:10 pm

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Telconi wrote:
If you force other people to practice your subjective opinions, you are wrong and immoral.


That's every politician ever. If you want an anarchy, you'll have to go elsewhere.

He's not saying he wants anarchy he's just saying the way one person is thinking about a particular group of people is wrong.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:25 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:
Telconi wrote:
If you force other people to practice your subjective opinions, you are wrong and immoral.


That's every politician ever. If you want an anarchy, you'll have to go elsewhere.


There's a nice happy medium between oppressive duck and anarchy...
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
There's a nice happy medium between oppressive duck and anarchy...


Trump has oppressed jack SHIT, excuse me for the expletive.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:30 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:
Telconi wrote:
There's a nice happy medium between oppressive duck and anarchy...


Trump has oppressed jack SHIT, excuse me for the expletive.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Have you ruled out the possibility that the vast majority of people had a good reason to leave the rural areas and move to the urban ones?


And that's relevant because?

have you ever thought about why the trend is toward cities and away from rural areas? Its a perfectly relevant question.

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Postby Agrination » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And that's relevant because?

have you ever thought about why the trend is toward cities and away from rural areas? Its a perfectly relevant question.


It's because 2 kids in a family but only one can have the farm. Also a city will exponentially get bigger, & farms are buying eachother

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And that's relevant because?

have you ever thought about why the trend is toward cities and away from rural areas? Its a perfectly relevant question.


No it isnt, having had a good reason to go there doesn't give them a good reason to make the ones still living in rural areas miserable.

But alas, you hate people like me, so why would you understand?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:37 pm

Agrination wrote:
San Lumen wrote:have you ever thought about why the trend is toward cities and away from rural areas? Its a perfectly relevant question.


It's because 2 kids in a family but only one can have the farm. Also a city will exponentially get bigger, & farms are buying eachother

and cities have more opportunity and many young people dont want the farm life

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:have you ever thought about why the trend is toward cities and away from rural areas? Its a perfectly relevant question.


No it isnt, having had a good reason to go there doesn't give them a good reason to make the ones still living in rural areas miserable.

But alas, you hate people like me, so why would you understand?

Never said I hated you. How exactly is your life being made miserable by the evil city folk?

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Postby Agrination » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Agrination wrote:
It's because 2 kids in a family but only one can have the farm. Also a city will exponentially get bigger, & farms are buying eachother

and cities have more opportunity and many young people dont want the farm life

& I like it that way. More money for me :)

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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:and cities have more opportunity and many young people dont want the farm life


They also have much higher costs of living on average, which is why many move to the suburbs for example. I also think you're confusing non-urban life with Ma and Pa expecting you to tend the cattle or something, when the truth is something far different.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No it isnt, having had a good reason to go there doesn't give them a good reason to make the ones still living in rural areas miserable.

But alas, you hate people like me, so why would you understand?

Never said I hated you. How exactly is your life being made miserable by the evil city folk?


San Lumen wrote:So its all about your guns right? That's all you care about? Pathetic.


You have insulted my core values. You have dismissed my beliefs, values, and morals as invalid. You have justified why ruining my life is okay. You have advocated for others inflicting misery upon me.

If you don't hate me then I feel sorry for the people in your life.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:47 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and cities have more opportunity and many young people dont want the farm life


They also have much higher costs of living on average, which is why many move to the suburbs for example. I also think you're confusing non-urban life with Ma and Pa expecting you to tend the cattle or something, when the truth is something far different.

suburbs in my metro area shrinking. What is the truth then?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Never said I hated you. How exactly is your life being made miserable by the evil city folk?


San Lumen wrote:So its all about your guns right? That's all you care about? Pathetic.


You have insulted my core values. You have dismissed my beliefs, values, and morals as invalid. You have justified why ruining my life is okay. You have advocated for others inflicting misery upon me.

If you don't hate me than I feel sorry for the people in your life.

I have done nothing of the sort. You have yet to give a valid answer for how the evil city folk oppress you.

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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
You have insulted my core values. You have dismissed my beliefs, values, and morals as invalid. You have justified why ruining my life is okay. You have advocated for others inflicting misery upon me.

If you don't hate me than I feel sorry for the people in your life.


You know what? I'm with you on this one. Beliefs and views clash all the time, but being dismissive about very real issues isn't right.
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