Separating urban and rural America.

[San Lumen]

So you dont believe in one man, one vote?

One farm, one vote is my motto

So a farmers vote for governor or senator should matter more for governor or senator too and they should get more representatives to? How is that not a dictatorship?

[Telconi]

One farm, one vote is my motto

So a farmers vote for governor or senator should matter more for governor or senator too and they should get more representatives to? How is that not a dictatorship?

Because people are voting...

[The East Marches II]

One farm, one vote is my motto

So a farmers vote for governor or senator should matter more for governor or senator too and they should get more representatives to? How is that not a dictatorship?

It's a dictatorship of the agrarians. The only people who know how to run things. It's related to nautical materialism vaguely.

[San Lumen]

So a farmers vote for governor or senator should matter more for governor or senator too and they should get more representatives to? How is that not a dictatorship?

Because people are voting...

But certain votes count more than others which isnt fair.

So a farmers vote for governor or senator should matter more for governor or senator too and they should get more representatives to? How is that not a dictatorship?

It's a dictatorship of the agrarians. The only people who know how to run things. It's related to nautical materialism vaguely.

so us urban folk get little to no representatives and some farms choice for governor always wins? Thats not democratic or fair. And if a farmer believes i shouldnt be allowed to marry or adopt children or date a black man oh well?

[Telconi]

Because people are voting...

But certain votes count more than others which isnt fair.

It's a dictatorship of the agrarians. The only people who know how to run things. It's related to nautical materialism vaguely.

so us urban folk get little to no representatives and some farms choice for governor always wins? Thats not democratic or fair. And if a farmer believes i shouldnt be allowed to marry or adopt children or date a black man oh well?

Well your response to some yuppy believing I shouldn't buy ammunition is "oh well" so why should I care about you if you don't care about me?

[San Lumen]

But certain votes count more than others which isnt fair.

so us urban folk get little to no representatives and some farms choice for governor always wins? Thats not democratic or fair. And if a farmer believes i shouldnt be allowed to marry or adopt children or date a black man oh well?

Well your response to some yuppy believing I shouldn't buy ammunition is "oh well" so why should I care about you if you don't care about me?

Well elections have consequences. If a law is passed by the state legislature it applies to every county in the state. You dont get to pick and choose what laws you follow.

[Oil exporting People]

You see now, shit like this is why the far-right can't be trusted.

That was never our goal or desire.

[Ors Might]

Well your response to some yuppy believing I shouldn't buy ammunition is "oh well" so why should I care about you if you don't care about me?

Well elections have consequences. If a law is passed by the state legislature it applies to every county in the state. You dont get to pick and choose what laws you follow.

If the law is unjust, one could argue that civil disobedience is an obligation of a citizenry. The only reason why you’re saying this is because you don’t feel that the law inconveniences you.

[Telconi]

Well your response to some yuppy believing I shouldn't buy ammunition is "oh well" so why should I care about you if you don't care about me?

Well elections have consequences. If a law is passed by the state legislature it applies to every county in the state. You dont get to pick and choose what laws you follow.

I absolutely do get to pick and choose which laws I follow.

[San Lumen]

Well elections have consequences. If a law is passed by the state legislature it applies to every county in the state. You dont get to pick and choose what laws you follow.

If the law is unjust, one could argue that civil disobedience is an obligation of a citizenry. The only reason why you’re saying this is because you don’t feel that the law inconveniences you.

What sort of unjust law are you talking about? I dont think you want to go down the path of counties and municipalities picking and choosing what laws they will follow.

[San Lumen]

Well elections have consequences. If a law is passed by the state legislature it applies to every county in the state. You dont get to pick and choose what laws you follow.

I absolutely do get to pick and choose which laws I follow.

Im sorry but no you don't.

[Telconi]

If the law is unjust, one could argue that civil disobedience is an obligation of a citizenry. The only reason why you’re saying this is because you don’t feel that the law inconveniences you.

What sort of unjust law are you talking about? I dont think you want to go down the path of counties and municipalities picking and choosing what laws they will follow.

Why not?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I absolutely do get to pick and choose which laws I follow.

Im sorry but no you don't.

Yeah he does, I do the same thing.

[Telconi]

I absolutely do get to pick and choose which laws I follow.

Im sorry but no you don't.

Ammo sales law went into effect yesterday.

I've broken in twice already.

So apparently I have magically defied reality right?

[Ors Might]

If the law is unjust, one could argue that civil disobedience is an obligation of a citizenry. The only reason why you’re saying this is because you don’t feel that the law inconveniences you.

What sort of unjust law are you talking about? I dont think you want to go down the path of counties and municipalities picking and choosing what laws they will follow.

Wait wait hold on. Is the gay minority really using what suspiciously sounds like a slippery slope argument to argue why civil disobedience in the face of unjust laws is a bad thing?

[San Lumen]

What sort of unjust law are you talking about? I dont think you want to go down the path of counties and municipalities picking and choosing what laws they will follow.

Why not?

Because thats not how government works. Counties and municipalities must follow the laws of the state.

I;'ll give you an example of how this wouldn't work. Lets say a bunch of rural counties and small towns decide they will not recognize a state law allowing same sex marriage and adoption.

A same sex couple with kids gets married in the states largest city and then decides to move to a smaller city in a rural county. The county government tell them they are not recognized as a couple or a family and well not be receiving the rights and benefits of marriage in that town thereby violating not only state law but the 14th amendment to the constitution.

You now have a patchwork of laws in counties and town and a legal mess for tax filings among other things. See how what your proposing wouldnt work?

[Telconi]

Why not?

Because thats not how government works. Counties and municipalities must follow the laws of the state.

I;'ll give you an example of how this wouldn't work. Lets say a bunch of rural counties and small towns decide they will not recognize a state law allowing same sex marriage and adoption.

A same sex couple with kids gets married in the states largest city and then decides to move to a smaller city in a rural county. The county government tell them they are not recognized as a couple or a family and well not be receiving the rights and benefits of marriage in that town thereby violating not only state law but the 14th amendment to the constitution.

I'm not a gay couple...

[San Lumen]

Because thats not how government works. Counties and municipalities must follow the laws of the state.

I;'ll give you an example of how this wouldn't work. Lets say a bunch of rural counties and small towns decide they will not recognize a state law allowing same sex marriage and adoption.

A same sex couple with kids gets married in the states largest city and then decides to move to a smaller city in a rural county. The county government tell them they are not recognized as a couple or a family and well not be receiving the rights and benefits of marriage in that town thereby violating not only state law but the 14th amendment to the constitution.

I'm not a gay couple...

So? I gave you an example of how what your proposing wouldn't work. You would have a patchwork of laws across the state and a legal mess when it came to tax filings among many other things that would affect the children too.

[Telconi]

I'm not a gay couple...

So? I gave you an example of how what your proposing wouldn't work. You would have a patchwork of laws across the state and a legal mess when it came to tax filings among many other things that would affect the children too.

And this hurts me because?

[San Lumen]

So? I gave you an example of how what your proposing wouldn't work. You would have a patchwork of laws across the state and a legal mess when it came to tax filings among many other things that would affect the children too.

And this hurts me because?

Your just stalling now. Who says it has to effect you? I gave you an example of how it wouldn't work and that's all you have to say?

[Ors Might]

And this hurts me because?

Your just stalling now. Who says it has to effect you? I gave you an example of how it wouldn't work and that's all you have to say?

Generally people are more likely to be against something if it has more negatives for them personally than positives.

[Telconi]

And this hurts me because?

Your just stalling now. Who says it has to effect you? I gave you an example of how it wouldn't work and that's all you have to say?

How wouldn't it work, they stop being married in the county that prevents them from being married. Really simple really.

[The Great-German Empire]

Ignoring all previous discussion, this is about as hateful and divisive, if not more so, than what the more extreme "white nationalists" on the "way-further-right-than-Donald" advocate for. This is hating your neighbour not for being uncultured, or greedy, or narcissistic, but just because they disagreed with your vision for America- something that nobody, I repeat, NOBODY is obliged to do for you. And if a Trump supporter says the same about cities, I'd scold them the same way.

[San Lumen]

Your just stalling now. Who says it has to effect you? I gave you an example of how it wouldn't work and that's all you have to say?

How wouldn't it work, they stop being married in the county that prevents them from being married. Really simple really.

Well not only is that wrong but they defying state law Say the child needs parental consent for something, they be unable to get it, or needs to be picked up they might not be able to be released into their custody because the county or town doesn't recognize them as their parent.

Heres a better example, Say a law is passed that bans the use of certain pesticides and other chemicals used on farms because of their effects on groundwater. Some rural counties choose to follow it but others don't. the county next to yours decides not to and uses the banned chemical and it gets into your groundwater and you become very ill. Now do you see why it wouldn't work?

[The East Marches II]

Because people are voting...

But certain votes count more than others which isnt fair.

It's a dictatorship of the agrarians. The only people who know how to run things. It's related to nautical materialism vaguely.

so us urban folk get little to no representatives and some farms choice for governor always wins? Thats not democratic or fair. And if a farmer believes i shouldnt be allowed to marry or adopt children or date a black man oh well?

Of course it's not democratic, fair however is a matter of debate. You could easily avoid that fate by buying a farm and preventing that. This could all be avoided if you just give them those subsidies. The cities on the coasts are too affected by Nautical Materialism to be allowed to vote in the first place. Even coastal farms should be suspect.