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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:No Telconi mentioned a referendum not a amendment.


He quite clearly stated here an Amendment could be added to make such legal:

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San Lumen wrote:And you dodged my response. But no i would not accept it. But you'd be talking about a state referendum as national referendums do not exist in the United States.

Also, constitutions are subject to change. It theoretically could happen.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Which is why Telconi brought up a Constitutional Amendment, obviously. Should an Amendment be added to this effect to the Constitution, then such could never be overturned; this is basic Constitutional Law here.

No Telconi mentioned a referendum not a amendment.


Well I presumed you would participate in good faith, but evidently not...
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:36 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No Telconi mentioned a referendum not a amendment.


He quite clearly stated here an Amendment could be added to make such legal:

Telconi wrote:Also, constitutions are subject to change. It theoretically could happen.

If your talking about an extremely unlikely to pass amendment then id just apply for asylum in Canada and move to Toronto.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:If your talking about an extremely unlikely to pass amendment then id just apply for asylum in Canada and move to Toronto.


Okay then, that settles that particular tangent.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:39 pm

MGTOWia wrote:Ultra-extreme left-wingers have corrupted most large urban areas. And through them, much of the judiciary, academia and the entertainment industry. Want to see the future of blue urban America? Look at Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, the Big Rotten Apple and LA for starters. Oh, and Denver, which just decriminalized public defecation.

Anything that would separate blue Congressional districts from red districts would be a good thing. I don't consider leftists to be fellow Americans at this point, and don't want them having any say over my life. And I'm sure many of them reciprocate. So it's time for a divorce.

Getting over that is kind of one of those things you have to deal with in America.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:40 pm

MGTOWia wrote:Ultra-extreme left-wingers have corrupted most large urban areas. And through them, much of the judiciary, academia and the entertainment industry. Want to see the future of blue urban America? Look at Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, the Big Rotten Apple and LA for starters. Oh, and Denver, which just decriminalized public defecation.

Anything that would separate blue Congressional districts from red districts would be a good thing. I don't consider leftists to be fellow Americans at this point, and don't want them having any say over my life. And I'm sure many of them reciprocate. So it's time for a divorce.

Amazing everything you just said in that statement is wrong. So my city should be shafted out of its fair share of representation in the legislature and the laws the state capital passes shouldnt affect your tiny village in your rural county?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:44 pm

Genivaria wrote:Getting over that is kind of one of those things you have to deal with in America.


Given we're diving in hypothetical, that a situation could be created where this isn't the case is obvious.
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Postby Zanera » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:45 pm

MGTOWia wrote:Ultra-extreme left-wingers have corrupted most large urban areas. And through them, much of the judiciary, academia and the entertainment industry. Want to see the future of blue urban America? Look at Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, the Big Rotten Apple and LA for starters. Oh, and Denver, which just decriminalized public defecation.

Anything that would separate blue Congressional districts from red districts would be a good thing. I don't consider leftists to be fellow Americans at this point, and don't want them having any say over my life. And I'm sure many of them reciprocate. So it's time for a divorce.


Same thing bad here that's bad with the OP: "I don't agree with this extensive range of American political ideas, put those people away from me!"

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Postby ATL REP-ARCHIVE » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:46 pm

I hate these sorta threads.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:47 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Getting over that is kind of one of those things you have to deal with in America.


Given we're diving in hypothetical, that a situation could be created where this isn't the case is obvious.

It's a hypothetical that a group of people tried to enact once before, they failed.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:47 pm

Genivaria wrote:
MGTOWia wrote:Ultra-extreme left-wingers have corrupted most large urban areas. And through them, much of the judiciary, academia and the entertainment industry. Want to see the future of blue urban America? Look at Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, the Big Rotten Apple and LA for starters. Oh, and Denver, which just decriminalized public defecation.

Anything that would separate blue Congressional districts from red districts would be a good thing. I don't consider leftists to be fellow Americans at this point, and don't want them having any say over my life. And I'm sure many of them reciprocate. So it's time for a divorce.

Getting over that is kind of one of those things you have to deal with in America.


TBF you don't *have to*.
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-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Getting over that is kind of one of those things you have to deal with in America.


TBF you don't *have to*.

Well relative to what they do in Saudi Arabia.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:48 pm

Zanera wrote:
MGTOWia wrote:Ultra-extreme left-wingers have corrupted most large urban areas. And through them, much of the judiciary, academia and the entertainment industry. Want to see the future of blue urban America? Look at Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, the Big Rotten Apple and LA for starters. Oh, and Denver, which just decriminalized public defecation.

Anything that would separate blue Congressional districts from red districts would be a good thing. I don't consider leftists to be fellow Americans at this point, and don't want them having any say over my life. And I'm sure many of them reciprocate. So it's time for a divorce.


Same thing bad here that's bad with the OP: "I don't agree with this extensive range of American political ideas, put those people away from me!"

Yeah pre Reynolds v Sims was better when urban areas were shafted out of their fair share of representation in favor of rural areas for reasons including racism, perceived notion that land area mattered more, and that certain groups mattered more that others. The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zanera wrote:
Same thing bad here that's bad with the OP: "I don't agree with this extensive range of American political ideas, put those people away from me!"

Yeah pre Reynolds v Sims was better when urban areas were shafted out of their fair share of representation in favor of rural areas for reasons including racism, perceived notion that land area mattered more, and that certain groups mattered more that others. The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.

Ah back when the '3/5 of a person' were used to vote against their own rights.
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zanera wrote:
Same thing bad here that's bad with the OP: "I don't agree with this extensive range of American political ideas, put those people away from me!"

Yeah pre Reynolds v Sims was better when urban areas were shafted out of their fair share of representation in favor of rural areas for reasons including racism, perceived notion that land area mattered more, and that certain groups mattered more that others. The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.


Both of those things are true though. Feed me more corn subsides or we will keep throwing elections thank you

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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:55 pm

Genivaria wrote:It's a hypothetical that a group of people tried to enact once before, they failed.


Nitpick, but that's actually wrong; the original effort was one to remove themselves from America, not their opponents. With that said however, just because said move failed, doesn't meant it's automatically presumed to do so again. In fact, I'd say quite to to the contrary.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:56 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah pre Reynolds v Sims was better when urban areas were shafted out of their fair share of representation in favor of rural areas for reasons including racism, perceived notion that land area mattered more, and that certain groups mattered more that others. The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.


Both of those things are true though. Feed me more corn subsides or we will keep throwing elections thank you


Chief Justice Earl Warren writing fro the majority said "Legislators represent people, not trees or acres. Legislators are elected by voters, not farms or cities or economic interests" you disagree with that statement?

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Both of those things are true though. Feed me more corn subsides or we will keep throwing elections thank you


Chief Justice Earl Warren writing fro the majority said "Legislators represent people, not trees or acres. Legislators are elected by voters, not farms or cities or economic interests" you disagree with that statement?


Warren was a fool. His court brought a crime wave a vast abuse of that commerce clause that started under FDR. Don't worry, just hand over the subsidies and nobody gets hurt.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:57 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Chief Justice Earl Warren writing fro the majority said "Legislators represent people, not trees or acres. Legislators are elected by voters, not farms or cities or economic interests" you disagree with that statement?


Warren was a fool. His court brought a crime wave a vast abuse of that commerce clause that started under FDR. Don't worry, just hand over the subsidies and nobody gets hurt.

So you disagree with his opinion? What you said isn't an answer

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Warren was a fool. His court brought a crime wave a vast abuse of that commerce clause that started under FDR. Don't worry, just hand over the subsidies and nobody gets hurt.

So you disagree with his opinion? What you said isn't an answer


I thought that was obvious given my answer. Muh farms matter much more. Now don't make the corn states give Trump term 2. Just hand over the subsidies.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:00 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So you disagree with his opinion? What you said isn't an answer


I thought that was obvious given my answer. Muh farms matter much more. Now don't make the corn states give Trump term 2. Just hand over the subsidies.

So we should go back to pre Reynolds V Sims?

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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I thought that was obvious given my answer. Muh farms matter much more. Now don't make the corn states give Trump term 2. Just hand over the subsidies.

So we should go back to pre Reynolds V Sims?


Of course

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:02 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So we should go back to pre Reynolds V Sims?


Of course

So you dont believe in one man, one vote?

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Of course

So you dont believe in one man, one vote?


One farm, one vote is my motto

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:03 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It's a hypothetical that a group of people tried to enact once before, they failed.


Nitpick, but that's actually wrong; the original effort was one to remove themselves from America, not their opponents. With that said however, just because said move failed, doesn't meant it's automatically presumed to do so again. In fact, I'd say quite to to the contrary.

You see now, shit like this is why the far-right can't be trusted.
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