Separating urban and rural America.

[Des-Bal]

The entire idea of voting is that you don't dissolve the country when you don't like who won.

[Sovaal]

America is terrible. Everyone is fat. England is the best

I too make all encompassing statements about nations based on their stereotypes

Seriously, be more original. And why've England over say Scotland or Wales?

[The Parkus Empire]

America is terrible. Everyone is fat. England is the best

Everyone is fat their too. I am sorry the US sent Mcdonalds the world over as our revenge.

I am sorry you cannot see our greatest cultural contribution as anything but "revenge".

[The Parkus Empire]

The entire idea of voting is that you don't dissolve the country when you don't like who won.

Yes, we already tried that

[Sovaal]

I mean the Red Scare of the 50's pretty much tainted the anything "socialist" to the conservatives. But anyway, I would presume the majority of the rural population back then was just as morally conservative as they are today.

Until relatively recently, conservative, moralist causes, like Prohibition and abolitionism, have traditionally come from more urban centers.

So before the 1950's the country side was the heart of racial and sexual inclusionism, social justice, and free love and such?

[Spheal World]

How? Everyone in america just have weird accents and iver half of the people are stupid, since the voted for trump

[Petrolheadia]

TIL the Capitol and the Pentagon are located in the countryside.

The voters who put Bush AND Trump in office are located in the countryside.

Actually, they are in the affluent suburbs and CBDs. Most Republicans are on the wealthier end of the scale.

[Sovaal]

How? Everyone in america just have weird accents and iver half of the people are stupid, since the voted for trump

Can you go sit in the corner and come back when you actually have something to add besides bullshit?

[Petrolheadia]

How? Everyone in america just have weird accents and iver half of the people are stupid, since the voted for trump

Before you start insulting, make your capitalization above the level where the insult can be directed at you.

[Sovaal]

How? Everyone in america just have weird accents and iver half of the people are stupid, since the voted for trump

Before you start insulting, make your capitalization above the level where the insult can be directed at you.

And, y'know make sure he actually spell checks.

[Tierra Fuego]

It's not a case of all Urban America gets screwed and all Rural America gets what they want. You generalized it way too much.18% of NYC got the president they voted for, for example - https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/numbers/clinton-trump-president-vice-president-every-neighborhood-map-election-results-voting-general-primary-nyc

[The Parkus Empire]

Until relatively recently, conservative, moralist causes, like Prohibition and abolitionism, have traditionally come from more urban centers.

So before the 1950's the country side was the heart of racial and sexual inclusionism, social justice, and free love and such?

More like racial inclusionism was a moralist cause since the Civil Rights Act of 1875, and free love and homosexuality were not political concerns anymore than furries are a political concern today. Free love did not become anything anyone took seriously until the hippies, and homosexuality was largely understood to be a fetish until the Stonewall riots

[Arlenton]

Why does everyone think it’s just rural areas voting Republican? Ever hear of suburbs?

Or cities like Fort Worth and Jacksonville.

Or all those urban industrial areas won by Trump.

[The Parkus Empire]

So before the 1950's the country side was the heart of racial and sexual inclusionism, social justice, and free love and such?

More like racial inclusionism was a moralist cause since the Civil Rights Act of 1875, and free love and homosexuality were not political concerns anymore than furries are a political concern today. Free love did not become anything anyone took seriously until the hippies, and homosexuality was largely understood to be a fetish until the Stonewall riots

And while Democrats became the main supporters of racial integration, it did not come all at once. Eisenhower was the one who forced school integration, and Bobby Kennedy had MLK, Jr. wiretapped for suspicion of subversion

[Ransium]

America is terrible. Everyone is fat. England is the best

How? Everyone in america just have weird accents and iver half of the people are stupid, since the voted for trump

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A) A threadjack, and;

B) Trolling.

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[Arlenton]

Reminder that W won 5 out of the 10 most populated counties in the country in 2004.

[Telconi]

Reminder that W won 5 out of the 10 most populated counties in the country in 2004.

Dont let facts ruin the narrative. Everybody knows that the progressive urban centers are enclaves of all that is good and righteous. Unjustly shackled to the sea of sparsely populated lands, home of all sorts of backwards ideals and terrible people.

[The Grim Reaper]

Yes, this looks like a reasonable and sensible national division with perfectly workable international borders.

If you really wanted a political division, my personal recommendation would be based on the Obama map, because it maximises contiguity and minimizes border fragmentation with Canada. Obama would trade Colorado, Florida and New Mexico to the Republicans in exchange for at minimum Indiana, and potentially also West Virginia and Kentucky (they both hated Obama but they make the borders look nice). Missouri would also be nice, but that's a real stretch goal.

Liberal America would then need to promptly annex their newfound ideological forefathers in Canada to connect the two coasts, unless they were guaranteed the Panama Canal. In such a case, Obama's America would also want Alaska.

They would then reannex Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, and Arizona, once Texas goes blue and defects again again, bringing to bear the considerable might of the Canadian navy to deny the GOP access to the Pacific and therefore decisively winning the war at sea.

It's totally unworkable, but I like that map better than the by-district one.

The alternative is 2012 map, but Dems trade Florida for Nebraska, Indiana, and Arizona, which splits GOP's America in two and leaves the western half without maritime access. That's probably less agreeable for all involved, despite making oodles more sense electorally.

Using the Clinton map, Democrats could trade Minnesota and Illinois for West Virginia and Pennsylvania, and either Colorado and New Mexico go to the Republicans or Utah and Colorado go to the Democrats. That's basically the Obama proposition but without the chunk of states around the Great Lakes.

And every single one of these makes more sense than splitting the country up into rural/urban districts. Giving Utah and West Virginia to the Democrats and Minnesota to the Republicans both make more sense than the clusterfuck that is a by-district /international border/.

[Inter-Universal Republic of Earth]

I have seen first hand the horrible neglect rural areas go through in California, since the state panders to cities for votes, no wonder they vote the opposite direction of their state... And no wonder there's now a large movement to form their own state.

[The Parkus Empire]

I have seen first hand the horrible neglect rural areas go through in California, since the state panders to cities for votes, no wonder they vote the opposite direction of their state... And no wonder there's now a large movement to form their own state.

Democrats in this state really are wrecking it. Deisel taxes function as a food tax, expensive licensing keeps the poor from starting up businesses, high taxes keep businesses out of state and make others leave. It is as if they are literally trying to wreck the state, they do not care a bit about unemployment, which keeps wages low for the working poor due to abudance of the labor reserve.

[Inter-Universal Republic of Earth]

I have seen first hand the horrible neglect rural areas go through in California, since the state panders to cities for votes, no wonder they vote the opposite direction of their state... And no wonder there's now a large movement to form their own state.

Democrats in this state really are wrecking it. Deisel taxes function as a food tax, expensive licensing keeps the poor from starting up businesses, high taxes keep businesses out of state and make others leave. It is as if they are literally trying to wreck the state, they do not care a bit about unemployment, which keeps wages low for the working poor due to abudance of the labor reserve.

That's probably why the State of Jefferson is getting more support as of late. Especially with the infrastructure crisis and the whole Oroville situation.

[Greed and Death]

Rural voters have valid points to be upset. The financial crisis was a primarily created by city dwellers. In many states the majority of marketable land is closed to development by the federal govnerment.

No one seeks to impose federal control on New York city or San Francisco.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

Rural voters have valid points to be upset. The financial crisis was a primarily created by city dwellers. In many states the majority of marketable land is closed to development by the federal govnerment.

No one seeks to impose federal control on New York city or San Francisco.

A lot of federally owned land in the Western US is mountain or desert. Not the most viable spots for economic development.

[Des-Bal]

A lot of federally owned land in the Western US is mountain or desert. Not the most viable spots for economic development.

I'm sure there's a word for this but I'm drawing a blank. I want you to imagine that you have a bunch of nails and chocolate chip cookies. Someone says "hey I'd like a chocolate chip cookie" and you point out "well most of it's nails." Have you in any way addressed their concerns?

[Nouveau Yathrib]

A lot of federally owned land in the Western US is mountain or desert. Not the most viable spots for economic development.

I'm sure there's a word for this but I'm drawing a blank. I want you to imagine that you have a bunch of nails and chocolate chip cookies. Someone says "hey I'd like a chocolate chip cookie" and you point out "well most of it's nails." Have you in any way addressed their concerns?

No, and you make a very good point. I said that because most federally owned land I know of is in areas that aren't very suitable for agriculture, which I understand is a pretty important industry for rural Americans. Aside from hunting and fishing, what other industries do federal ownership of land discourage?