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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:40 am

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-t ... lks-about/

So according to this, it's more so rural districts (than "red states") that voted Trump.

It talks about rural America being forgotten and ignored... so was Atlantic Canada, you wouldn't see them vote anyone like Trump.

Why, then, should rural districts be entitled to urban money after screwing over urban America? Is there any way to rearrange the USA so as to treat rural America as a new country and urban America as a collection of city-states?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:29 am

How did rural America screw over urban America given "rural" America for the most part pretty much lost everything they had after the 2008 recession and have not recovered?
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:49 am

Does he also know the Urban America would be screwed if it weren't for Rural America and their vast amounts of farm and ranch land? but seriously another poster coped together and idea similar to this and it was stupid very stupid same goes for this idea you have.
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Gig em Aggies wrote:Does he also know the Urban America would be screwed if it weren't for Rural America and their vast amounts of farm and ranch land? but seriously another poster coped together and idea similar to this and it was stupid very stupid same goes for this idea you have.

Or that both urban and rural America would be screwed over without the other. Farm land doesn't do you any good when you have nobody to sell your product to
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Thermodolia wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Does he also know the Urban America would be screwed if it weren't for Rural America and their vast amounts of farm and ranch land? but seriously another poster coped together and idea similar to this and it was stupid very stupid same goes for this idea you have.

Or that both urban and rural America would be screwed over without the other. Farm land doesn't do you any good when you have nobody to sell your product to

Well one's more important than the other really. If the supply of manufactured goods, petrol etc. got cut off farmers would have to turn Amish and that would be pretty fucking annoying. But if food got cut off...
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Bakery Hill wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Or that both urban and rural America would be screwed over without the other. Farm land doesn't do you any good when you have nobody to sell your product to

Well one's more important than the other really. If the supply of manufactured goods, petrol etc. got cut off farmers would have to turn Amish and that would be pretty fucking annoying. But if food got cut off...

I'm not saying that the rural Americans aren't important, they are, but they won't fare well on their own. Both sides need each other to survive. You can't cut off your nose just to spite your face and assume everything will be fine
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:04 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Well one's more important than the other really. If the supply of manufactured goods, petrol etc. got cut off farmers would have to turn Amish and that would be pretty fucking annoying. But if food got cut off...

I'm not saying that the rural Americans aren't important, they are, but they won't fare well on their own. Both sides need each other to survive. You can't cut off your nose just to spite your face and assume everything will be fine

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:33 am

Yeah, I live in a rural area, and pretty much everyone mid-middle class and down, even Mexicans, voted for Trump. A guy's mother can't speak English and is probably here illegally, but, still, he liked Trump. Americans are a funny bunch.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:34 am

"Politicians keep forgetting about Rural America!"
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:35 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

So according to this, it's more so rural districts (than "red states") that voted Trump.

It talks about rural America being forgotten and ignored... so was Atlantic Canada, you wouldn't see them vote anyone like Trump.

Why, then, should rural districts be entitled to urban money after screwing over urban America? Is there any way to rearrange the USA so as to treat rural America as a new country and urban America as a collection of city-states?

My fucking god. whay next, re-ensnare apartheid in South Africa? Anyway, it was just rural counties that voted for Trump, many industrial areas did as well. Anyway, is this a fucking surprise to anyone that rural areas across the country are fucking goddam more conservative then the cities as has been the case for probably thousands of years?

But anyway, terrible, morally bankrupt and childish idea here.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Does he also know the Urban America would be screwed if it weren't for Rural America and their vast amounts of farm and ranch land? but seriously another poster coped together and idea similar to this and it was stupid very stupid same goes for this idea you have.

Or that both urban and rural America would be screwed over without the other. Farm land doesn't do you any good when you have nobody to sell your product to

To be fair, it's not like you can't trade.

However, the problem is that rural America wouldn't be able to survive alone, as it would have many projects (e.g. military bases, Interstate system) that were meant to be funded by both the countryside and the cities, and wouldn't survive on the rural income alone.

Also, many city-states would be militarily weak, with no space for proper bases.

If something like this happened, the city-states would probably end up cooperating with the countryside more and more, and finally reunite the USA.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:39 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Or that both urban and rural America would be screwed over without the other. Farm land doesn't do you any good when you have nobody to sell your product to

Well one's more important than the other really. If the supply of manufactured goods, petrol etc. got cut off farmers would have to turn Amish and that would be pretty fucking annoying. But if food got cut off...

You could buy your food from other countries.

Also, food doesn't do you much good if you need medication manufactured by city-dwellers to survive. And given the abuse rampant in the Amish community, I'd say it's more than a mere "inconvenience" to go Amish.


Petrolheadia wrote:Also, many city-states would be militarily weak, with no space for proper bases.

If the part of America responsible for the lion's share of the bad foreign policy decisions were removed, would people even WANT to attack the city-states?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:44 am

Sovaal wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

So according to this, it's more so rural districts (than "red states") that voted Trump.

It talks about rural America being forgotten and ignored... so was Atlantic Canada, you wouldn't see them vote anyone like Trump.

Why, then, should rural districts be entitled to urban money after screwing over urban America? Is there any way to rearrange the USA so as to treat rural America as a new country and urban America as a collection of city-states?

My fucking god. whay next, re-ensnare apartheid in South Africa? Anyway, it was just rural counties that voted for Trump, many industrial areas did as well. Anyway, is this a fucking surprise to anyone that rural areas across the country are fucking goddam more conservative then the cities as has been the case for probably thousands of years?

But anyway, terrible, morally bankrupt and childish idea here.

Actuall the rural in America largely jouined the Republican Party due to the Southern Strategy. Before that they were overwhelmingly Democrat. As for why minorities in rural areas vote Republican, I am guessing that has to do with local identity.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:46 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Also, many city-states would be militarily weak, with no space for proper bases.

If the part of America responsible for the lion's share of the bad foreign policy decisions were removed, would people even WANT to attack the city-states?

TIL the Capitol and the Pentagon are located in the countryside.
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Well one's more important than the other really. If the supply of manufactured goods, petrol etc. got cut off farmers would have to turn Amish and that would be pretty fucking annoying. But if food got cut off...

You could buy your food from other countries.

Terrible idea these "city-states" would bankrupt themselves feeding their citizens and be a risk of famine from embargoes and such. And good luck getting food to the interior cities.

Also, food doesn't do you much good if you need medication manufactured by city-dwellers to survive.

Manufacturing doesn do you much good if you can get the supplies for half your facilities.
And given the abuse rampant in the Amish community, I'd say it's more than a mere "inconvenience" to go Amish.

I mean better to live a 1800's life style then starve.


Anyway, this little "idea" of yours is nothing more then childish, ill though our revenge porn in people who some did little more then vote in someone you didn't like. Honestly, there are so many things I should say about this but can't....
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:47 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:If the part of America responsible for the lion's share of the bad foreign policy decisions were removed, would people even WANT to attack the city-states?

TIL the Capitol and the Pentagon are located in the countryside.

The voters who put Bush AND Trump in office are located in the countryside. The USA could've had competent leaders if not for the rural vote.


Sovaal wrote:Terrible idea these "city-states" would bankrupt themselves feeding their citizens and be a risk of famine from embargoes and such. And good luck getting food to the interior cities.

Okay, the interior cities might be stuck with rural America. (There are rivers, though.)

Famine from embargoes? There's a whole wide world out there. The rest of the world isn't going to boycott American city-states... though they might boycott rural America once they can do so without harming urban Americans in the process.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:
Sovaal wrote:My fucking god. whay next, re-ensnare apartheid in South Africa? Anyway, it was just rural counties that voted for Trump, many industrial areas did as well. Anyway, is this a fucking surprise to anyone that rural areas across the country are fucking goddam more conservative then the cities as has been the case for probably thousands of years?

But anyway, terrible, morally bankrupt and childish idea here.

Actuall the rural in America largely jouined the Republican Party due to the Southern Strategy. Before that they were overwhelmingly Democrat. As for why minorities in rural areas vote Republican, I am guessing that has to do with local identity.

When the rural areas where Democratic (and a lot still are in regards to their state governments) they where still conservative. Dixiecrats and all that.
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:TIL the Capitol and the Pentagon are located in the countryside.

The voters who put Bush AND Trump in office are located in the countryside. The USA could've had competent leaders if not for the rural vote.

And the industrial areas, and the suburbs...
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:TIL the Capitol and the Pentagon are located in the countryside.

The voters who put Bush AND Trump in office are located in the countryside. The USA could've had competent leaders if not for the rural vote.

Clinton's Wilsonianism is not really anymore competent than Bush's neoconservatism.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:Actuall the rural in America largely jouined the Republican Party due to the Southern Strategy. Before that they were overwhelmingly Democrat. As for why minorities in rural areas vote Republican, I am guessing that has to do with local identity.

When the rural areas where Democratic (and a lot still are in regards to their state governments) they where still conservative. Dixiecrats and all that.

If Huey Long is conservative, okay.
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Sovaal wrote:When the rural areas where Democratic (and a lot still are in regards to their state governments) they where still conservative. Dixiecrats and all that.

If Huey Long is conservative, okay.

I mean the Red Scare of the 50's pretty much tainted the anything "socialist" to the conservatives. But anyway, I would presume the majority of the rural population back then was just as morally conservative as they are today.
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Sovaal wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:If Huey Long is conservative, okay.

I mean the Red Scare of the 50's pretty much tainted the anything "socialist" to the conservatives. But anyway, I would presume the majority of the rural population back then was just as morally conservative as they are today.

Until relatively recently, conservative, moralist causes, like Prohibition and abolitionism, have traditionally come from more urban centers.
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Spheal World wrote:America is terrible. Everyone is fat. England is the best

Everyone is fat there too. I am sorry the US sent Mcdonalds the world over as our revenge.
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Spheal World wrote:America is terrible. Everyone is fat. England is the best

America is more English than contemporary England is.
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