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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:36 pm

Novaya Equestria wrote:Angela Merkel needs to fix her nation.


She can't because the way the political alignment is set up doesn't allow for a coalition to actually fix any of the issues facing us.
If you support a side that's existed for decades while shit's been getting worse, I don't know what to tell you.
Don't you think that's pretty silly?

We either get right wing capitalist nonsense which crushes everybody except the rich, but we also put a halt to progressive anti-white (the majority) and anti-male shit. (And sometimes the right wing is anti-minority too, just to wind things up further.)
Or, we go left and get milquetoast welfare reforms (that eventually lead to "BALANCE THE BOOKS AUSTERITY CUT ALL THE TAXES OH NO WAIT, NOW WE NEED TO CUT WELFARE OOPS.") alongside progressive anti-white shit.

The corbynite/sanderite "Well, let's try some moderately sensible economics alongside the anti-white, anti-male shit." hasn't been tried properly.

How can Merkel fix it?
She can't start assimilating immigrants without the left flipping their fucking shit.
She can't let more in without assimilating them without the right flipping its fucking shit.
She can't invest and grow the economy without the capitalists flipping their fucking shit.
She can only maintain the course, which leaves immigrants coming in, rampant racial tensions, and a complete clusterfuck to distract from the actual issues like, say, international nomadic fucking bandits raiding our economies and stuffing it into panama who are arrogant enough to threaten to leave us alone if we don't do as they say, and don't realize this is an incentive.

It's the same for every western nation right now. The political factions are in deadlock because that's the status quo moneyed interests forced on us, not by deliberate design, but merely market forces. Can't talk about capitalism, gotta make money, gotta have views, let's push the most polarized racist and sexist shit we can and demonize everyone, we gotta compete with clickbait.


The only way she can fix it is to go
"Right, some of you conservatives need to fuck off and join the other party. Some of you leftists get over here." and then we shake shit up by building new directions of travel, with "Okay look. We're going to assimilate the immigrants. That takes fucking money. raise the taxes."

She won't do that, even though the more extreme "We're going to throw all the immigrants out and shit in their cheerios, and raise the taxes" is surging all across the western world.

Even though it would leave the progressives and the right wing capitalists to try and make friends with ea- who the fuck am I kidding, they're already friends in all but official capacity.

This neoliberal, neocon shit?

That's when the corporations really, really started screwing us. That was when we started backsliding. Am I the only one who sees this? It was a goddamn mistake.

We need to go back to paleocons and classical liberals. Maybe socialists too, if they can keep their shit together long enough not to alienate the moderate paleocons.

I'm pretty goddamn sure that so long as you actually enforce equal treatment, celebrate the nation and its history, emphasize socialism as a *national* project, and all that shit, they'll be on board for most of it.

"Welfare."
"No no. We should pay them to... do a thing, like, build a massive statue to our heroes. Because scroungers, also patriotism."
"f...full employment senpai?"

Oh look. A statue. Almost like... a civilization existed here. Gosh. Culture! Holy shit. I forgot about that in the midst of our shopping spree.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:06 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The foremost thinker of the alt right (Paul Gottfried) is actually Jewish, ironically.

Not the first Jewish Nazi in history.

Can you name some others for us? I don't think there's many people you can characterise as Jewish Nazis.
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Postby Jhman » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:17 am

Cedoria wrote:
Jhman wrote:Merkel should not have accepted those million refugees into Germany, it is nothing but a trick to create a voter base. This immigration is creating anti semitism

Nope. Anti-Semites are creating anti-semitism.

How it creates a voter base for Merkel to import voters from places which have high rates of extreme religious conservatism is beyond me. But I suppose for the conspiratorial mindset, no theory is too dumb.

Some of these refugees would stay and even seep themselves to citizenship. This helps the CDU get an sympathy with the immigrants, which is thriving vote bank in Germany. Chancellor Merkel is playing the race card and what we here would call minority appeasement. I do not support Germany's intake of refugees, the arming of the kurdish militias and their high intakes of immigrants.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:23 am

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Cedoria wrote:Nope. Anti-Semites are creating anti-semitism.

How it creates a voter base for Merkel to import voters from places which have high rates of extreme religious conservatism is beyond me. But I suppose for the conspiratorial mindset, no theory is too dumb.

Some of these refugees would stay and even seep themselves to citizenship. This helps the CDU get an sympathy with the immigrants, which is thriving vote bank in Germany. Chancellor Merkel is playing the race card and what we here would call minority appeasement. I do not support Germany's intake of refugees, the arming of the kurdish militias and their high intakes of immigrants.

Wut

There's a massive crackdown in Germany on Kurdish organisations while German intelligence is getting thoroughly infiltrated by MIT and Merkel's trying to extradite anti-Erdogan comedians to Turkey.
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Postby Jhman » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:34 am

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Jhman wrote:Some of these refugees would stay and even seep themselves to citizenship. This helps the CDU get an sympathy with the immigrants, which is thriving vote bank in Germany. Chancellor Merkel is playing the race card and what we here would call minority appeasement. I do not support Germany's intake of refugees, the arming of the kurdish militias and their high intakes of immigrants.

Wut

There's a massive crackdown in Germany on Kurdish organisations while German intelligence is getting thoroughly infiltrated by MIT and Merkel's trying to extradite anti-Erdogan comedians to Turkey.

Germany previously trained ,armed and abetted Kurdish groups
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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:35 am

It's cringeworthy when people vandalize Holocaust memorials or whatever -- like seriously, those memorials are really important to some people, so just leave them alone -- but a lot of countries have antisemitism, and I don't think antisemitism in Germany is more dangerous than antisemitism in other countries. Yeah, Germany had a Nazi problem, but the next genocide or the next creepy dictatorship might be anywhere. It'd be a shame if we missed the warning signs in another country because we were too busy fixating on Germany.

Yurizlansia wrote:In high school, I expected it to end, but of course it didn't. This isn't to day that it is school-sanctioned, or everyone is an anti-Semite. I go to an IB program in the United States, and as such most of the kids are not very ignorant, and the school/program administrators would bend over backwards to prevent the reputation of the school/program from being tarnished. Nonetheless, it still occurs, people give the Nazi salute during the national anthem, make Holocaust jokes, etc.


When I was in the IB program, the majority of my classmates were Jewish. Everybody called each other "kike" all the time, but it was an in-joke like Chinese kids calling each other "chink" or black people dropping the n-bomb.

Must be weird to have IB classes with goys.
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Postby Hirota » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:55 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:But what do you think NSG?
I think it's adorable that people think this is limited to the "alt-right"
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Postby Kyrinasaj » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:15 am

Yea, blame the ''Alt-right'' when it is majorly Muslim migrants with anti-Semitic attitudes, most native Germans would think a million times before criticizing the Jew because you know, hate speech laws and all that.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:21 am

Kyrinasaj wrote:Yea, blame the ''Alt-right'' when it is majorly Muslim migrants with anti-Semitic attitudes, most native Germans would think a million times before criticizing the Jew because you know, hate speech laws and all that.

Obviously the neo Nazis will simmer down and behave once all the Filthy Muslims are deported and barred from Germany. *nod*
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:39 am

Jhman wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Wut

There's a massive crackdown in Germany on Kurdish organisations while German intelligence is getting thoroughly infiltrated by MIT and Merkel's trying to extradite anti-Erdogan comedians to Turkey.

Germany previously trained ,armed and abetted Kurdish groups

It only provides support to the KDP's Peshmerga, a group currently assisting the Turkish army. They're in lockstep with Erdogan on all of these issues.
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Postby Herzegovenia » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:43 am

I don't know if i should say "Oh, for god's sake, bloody hell." or "Goood... GOOOOOD..... SEW chaos in this world!"

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:47 am

The anti-semitism is a downright shame and should be stopped.
AfD should be focusing more on the Muslim migrants and Islam than Judaism. The former is much more dangerous as of now.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:49 am

Kyrinasaj wrote:Yea, blame the ''Alt-right'' when it is majorly Muslim migrants with anti-Semitic attitudes, most native Germans would think a million times before criticizing the Jew because you know, hate speech laws and all that.


Hirota wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:But what do you think NSG?
I think it's adorable that people think this is limited to the "alt-right"



"and a resurgent right-wing nationalist movement spawned by the arrival of so many immigrants."

That sentience implys that it was internal.

The Islands of Versilia wrote:The anti-semitism is a downright shame and should be stopped.
AfD should be focusing more on the Muslim migrants and Islam than Judaism. The former is much more dangerous as of now.

I despise the Israeli government but one shouldn’t despise the Jewish people.

People running away from war are dangerous?
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Postby Senegalboy » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:52 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:The anti-semitism is a downright shame and should be stopped.
AfD should be focusing more on the Muslim migrants and Islam than Judaism. The former is much more dangerous as of now.

I despise the Israeli government but one shouldn’t despise the Jewish people.

So people should be Islamaphobic instead of Anti semitic why not be prejudice against no one.

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The Islands of Versilia wrote:The anti-semitism is a downright shame and should be stopped.
AfD should be focusing more on the Muslim migrants and Islam than Judaism. The former is much more dangerous as of now.

I despise the Israeli government but one shouldn’t despise the Jewish people.

So people should be Islamaphobic instead of Anti semitic why not be prejudice against no one.

An opposition to Islamic values. Islam should not be allowed to fester within Germany, but people shouldn’t start smashing the windows of Muslim-owned stores and homes. That’s just thuggery.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kyrinasaj wrote:Yea, blame the ''Alt-right'' when it is majorly Muslim migrants with anti-Semitic attitudes, most native Germans would think a million times before criticizing the Jew because you know, hate speech laws and all that.


Hirota wrote:I think it's adorable that people think this is limited to the "alt-right"



"and a resurgent right-wing nationalist movement spawned by the arrival of so many immigrants."

That sentience implys that it was internal.

The Islands of Versilia wrote:The anti-semitism is a downright shame and should be stopped.
AfD should be focusing more on the Muslim migrants and Islam than Judaism. The former is much more dangerous as of now.

I despise the Israeli government but one shouldn’t despise the Jewish people.

People running away from war are dangerous?

Islam is dangerous. Those who flee as refugees must assimilate and learn Islam will not be tolerated and must deal with it until they can be deported back to their home.
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The Islands of Versilia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:



"and a resurgent right-wing nationalist movement spawned by the arrival of so many immigrants."

That sentience implys that it was internal.


People running away from war are dangerous?

Islam is dangerous. Those who flee as refugees must assimilate and learn Islam will not be tolerated and must deal with it until they can be deported back to their home.


A religion is only dangerous when extremists come into play.

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Postby Senegalboy » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:58 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:



"and a resurgent right-wing nationalist movement spawned by the arrival of so many immigrants."

That sentience implys that it was internal.


People running away from war are dangerous?

Islam is dangerous. Those who flee as refugees must assimilate and learn Islam will not be tolerated and must deal with it until they can be deported back to their home.

Why would someone assimilate into a culture that doesn't even want them and one that holds contempt for them. Integration and Assimilation is a two way thing

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Islam is dangerous. Those who flee as refugees must assimilate and learn Islam will not be tolerated and must deal with it until they can be deported back to their home.


A religion is only dangerous when extremists come into play.

It is best to destroy the weed’s roots (Islam) so that the leaves (extremists) have no foundation or basis.
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Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Islam's apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally don't stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out those calling for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable emphasis on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.”
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Islam is dangerous. Those who flee as refugees must assimilate and learn Islam will not be tolerated and must deal with it until they can be deported back to their home.


A religion is only dangerous when extremists come into play.

Does this ever cross islamophobes' minds?
Also, we have the right to practice Al-Islam wherever we are.
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Senegalboy wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Islam is dangerous. Those who flee as refugees must assimilate and learn Islam will not be tolerated and must deal with it until they can be deported back to their home.

Why would someone assimilate into a culture that doesn't even want them and one that holds contempt for them. Integration and Assimilation is a two way thing

If they do not assimilate they must deal with being outsiders and not disturb the peace for the natives.
They shouldn’t integrate. They should assimilate. If that means abandoning their Islamic beliefs and history, all the better.
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Wonder what they think about Israel

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The Islands of Versilia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
A religion is only dangerous when extremists come into play.

It is best to destroy the weed’s roots (Islam) so that the leaves (extremists) have no foundation or basis.
“The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Islam's apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally don't stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out those calling for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable emphasis on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.”
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/page ... lence.aspx

Lol that site isn't a so7rce on Al-Islam. Why not go to an actual Islamic site?
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