Anti-Semitism in Germany again

[Oil exporting People]

So invade the country that had fuck all to do with 9/11.

Ansar al-Islam, an Al Qaeda affiliate being sheltered by Saddam and making WMDs?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

How about this arcived post saying that the new US appointed leadership in Iraq was doing a shit job at stopping ISIL?

> TFW a government doing bad at something clearly means its the fault of X

It is a relevant point beacuse Support for the Iraq war was mainly a right wing thing back then.

Actually, support was bipartisan up until about 2005; Democrats voted for it all the same as the GOP did and public opinion for the first year to two showed generally high support. Regardless of that, my point that what constitutes the right wing has drastically changed since then, with the Neocons having long since been displaced. If you're wanting me to say Fuck Bush, then yes, Fuck Bush; still doesn't mean the current Right is in anyway responsible for the refugee influx. Merkel invited them in and the ones who came were far fucking removed from Iraq and Syria for the most part.

That government wouldn't have been in charge if the US left that country alone.

I'm saying that Bush isn't a centrist. I didn't blame it on the current right, but the sort of 'Then-Right' if I may coin a phrase.

So invade the country that had fuck all to do with 9/11.

Ansar al-Islam, an Al Qaeda affiliate being sheltered by Saddam and making WMDs?

The only WMDs there where the ones the US government sold them.

[United Muscovite Nations]

So invade the country that had fuck all to do with 9/11.

Ansar al-Islam, an Al Qaeda affiliate being sheltered by Saddam and making WMDs?

None of those were actually true.

[Oil exporting People]

None of those were actually true.

All of which was true.

Ansar al-Islam was an AQ affiliate that got hit prior to the invasion by Anglo-American special forces, and later testing of their site confirmed they had WMD production going on. This also ignores that Saddam still had thousands of chemical weapons in violation of UN Resolution 687.

[Petrasylvania]

TIL Iraq war was started by centerists.

They certainly supported it.

That or be called terrorist sympathizers when 9/11 was still fresh.

[Statecapistan]

Sause

BERLIN — When telecommunications manager Mikhail Tanaev emigrated to Germany in 1998 from his native Russia as a teen, his Jewish faith didn't matter to classmates or neighbors.

That's because Germany has taken extraordinary steps since the end of World War II to atone for the Holocaust and prevent anti-Semitism from taking hold again. The country has paid reparations to Jewish victims of Nazi persecution, erected dozens of memorials to those murdered and turned anti-Semitic speech into a crime.

Yet Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision in 2015 to open the nation's arms to 1 million mostly Muslim refugees has created a double threat for Germany's roughly 120,000 Jews: rising anti-Semitism from the newcomers and a resurgent right-wing nationalist movement spawned by the arrival of so many immigrants.

The anti-Semitic sentiment has become more pubic and virulent, said Tanaev, 32. "When I arrived in Germany ... I never saw such displays."

Last week, thousands of protesters in Berlin burned Israeli flags to protest President Trump's controversial decision on Dec. 7 to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. The flag-burning prompted a national outcry.


"I never thought that could happen in the middle of Berlin. That's something you see in other parts of the world. It's really disturbing," Tanaev said. "It feels like we're being threatened because you never know how people will react further when something like this occurs."

Other instances of anti-Semitism in Germany have become more common and brazen recently. Last month, thieves in Berlin made off with more than a dozen cobblestone-sized plaques embedded in sidewalks memorializing victims of the Holocaust. And the German military found Nazi memorabilia in soldiers' barracks over the summer.

In 2016, Germany recorded 1,468 anti-Semitic incidents, an increase from previous years that has put Germany's Jewish community on edge, According to a recent survey by the University of Bielefeld in western Germany, 62% of Jewish respondents said they experience anti-Semitism in their everyday lives, while 28% said they were victims of verbal attacks or harassment in the past year.

The survey points to increased anti-Semitism by Muslim newcomers and a strengthened right-wing nativist movement, said Andreas Zick, who led the study.

Underscoring that trend is the rise of the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD), now the third-largest political party in parliament four years after its founding. The AfD drums up support with nationalist and anti-Semitic rhetoric.

"Germans are the only people in the world who plant a monument of shame in the heart of the capital," senior AfD member Björn Höcke said this year about the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin.

Other party members want Nazi soldiers remembered as patriots.

Zick also noted anti-Semitic remarks posted on social media by right-wing groups. The comments fuel misconceptions among new immigrants that Germany tolerates such behavior, despite strict laws requiring social media giants such as Facebook to delete posts categorized as hate speech, he said.

"There's a lot of evidence from our studies that the Internet and young Muslim men in public are threatening (Jews),” Zick said. “Refugees coming in don't perceive that there's a strong norm against anti-Semitism.”

Such sentiments prompted a Jewish community center in Berlin to launch an initiative to combat anti-Semitism.

"Here, we put in concrete terms that 'the Jew' is actually a normal person — that he looks like you and is someone you can have a normal conversation with," said Rabbi Daniel Fabian of the Kahal Adass Jisroel Jewish community center and synagogue.

Members of the community center have been spit on and harassed in predominately Muslim neighborhoods since 2014, Fabian said. And his synagogue recently received a bomb threat from right-wing radicals. The compound housing the synagogue and community center are now under 24-hour police surveillance.

Jewish leaders are pushing for changes in the education system to head off anti-Semitism, including history lessons with visits to concentration camps. Bavaria is the only German state that now requires such visits.

"We are looking for modern means to convey what has happened and to keep the memory alive," said Josef Schuster, president of Germany's Central Council of Jews.

Tanaev said it also is important to draw parallels between the history of Jewish immigration and the current influx of newcomers. "That's the history of our people, and it's important to show others that fact," he said.

Fabian, whose grandmother was in the Auschwitz concentration camp during World War II, called for support from Muslim groups as well as the government to fight anti-Semitism.

“We can't be the only ones who are constantly reminding everyone else to look at what's happening right under your noses," he said.

Oh for fuck's sake Alt right, this shit again?

You mean ever since German nationalism was a thing?

And that day the whole of NSG was shoo shupwised, o mai gaad.

And yes, lets get this out of the way, yes, not everyone in the alt right is a raciest, sexiest, homophobe, whatever.

Oh ho ho, you made a funny. Got a citation for that one?

But you have to admit theirs at least some of them who are that way. And there very vocal about it.

Shoopah shupwised yesh.

But what do you think NSG?

I think communists should finish the job they started in WW2, that's what I've thought for a while.

[Oil exporting People]

I think communists should finish the job they started in WW2, that's what I've thought for a while.

Nearly getting destroyed in the opening rounds, and thereafter getting your asses saved by Capitalist industry and food supplies?

[Statecapistan]

I think communists should finish the job they started in WW2, that's what I've thought for a while.

Nearly getting destroyed in the opening rounds, and thereafter getting your asses saved by Capitalist industry and food supplies?

More like destroying three fourths of nazi land forces, but good try.

[Oil exporting People]

More like destroying three fourths of nazi land forces, but good try.

After nearly getting destroyed in the 1941-1942 period, and from late 1941 onwards being totally dependent on Western aid to even survive; 70% of the rolling stock used to keep the Red Army supplied as well as all of its food supply was American in origin.

[-Ocelot-]

I think communists should finish the job they started in WW2, that's what I've thought for a while.

Nearly getting destroyed in the opening rounds, and thereafter getting your asses saved by Capitalist industry and food supplies?

No, he talking about how the USSR saved your asses during WW2 by making the Germans waste all of their vehicles, tanks and infantry at the eastern front, then winning the war by invading Berlin.

[Oil exporting People]

No, he talking about how the USSR saved your asses during WW2 by making the Germans waste all of their vehicles, tanks and infantry at the eastern front, then winning the war by invading Berlin.

In which case he'd still be wrong, even if we discount the fact that it was only American supplies that allowed the Soviets to do such. By 1943, the disposition of German forces already had both fronts at about equal and this transitioned into a massive focus on the West in 1944; by the time of the Normandy Invasion, the Germans had already stripped the Eastern Front of its Panzer Divisions for use in France, with Army Group Center having no armored reserve and reduced to just 44 fighters for its entire area of operations due to demands in the West. Severe artillery shortages were also coming into effect, due to the needs of 25% of shell production to go towards AA purposes against the Anglo-American bombing campaign.

[Grossteutschland]

Most anti-semitism comes from Mohamedan intruders, smuggled in by Merkel's government.

[Statecapistan]

No, he talking about how the USSR saved your asses during WW2 by making the Germans waste all of their vehicles, tanks and infantry at the eastern front, then winning the war by invading Berlin.

In which case he'd still be wrong, even if we discount the fact that it was only American supplies that allowed the Soviets to do such. By 1943, the disposition of German forces already had both fronts at about equal and this transitioned into a massive focus on the West in 1944; by the time of the Normandy Invasion, the Germans had already stripped the Eastern Front of its Panzer Divisions for use in France, with Army Group Center having no armored reserve and reduced to just 44 fighters for its entire area of operations due to demands in the West. Severe artillery shortages were also coming into effect, due to the needs of 25% of shell production to go towards AA purposes against the Anglo-American bombing campaign.

Look, I get your horniness for Murika, but it ain't that great. You don't need to revise history in its favor.

[Washington Resistance Army]

In which case he'd still be wrong, even if we discount the fact that it was only American supplies that allowed the Soviets to do such. By 1943, the disposition of German forces already had both fronts at about equal and this transitioned into a massive focus on the West in 1944; by the time of the Normandy Invasion, the Germans had already stripped the Eastern Front of its Panzer Divisions for use in France, with Army Group Center having no armored reserve and reduced to just 44 fighters for its entire area of operations due to demands in the West. Severe artillery shortages were also coming into effect, due to the needs of 25% of shell production to go towards AA purposes against the Anglo-American bombing campaign.

Look, I get your horniness for Murika, but it ain't that great. You don't need to revise history in its favor.

Only one of you is revising history. Oil exporting People knows what he's talking about when it comes to WW2.

[Statecapistan]

Look, I get your horniness for Murika, but it ain't that great. You don't need to revise history in its favor.

Only one of you is revising history. Oil exporting People knows what he's talking about when it comes to WW2.

I'm sure he knows. He's also a pro-South far rightist, so sorry for not believing a word he has to say about the issue. It's a wonder he's not pro-Axis powers imo.

[Uxupox]

Only one of you is revising history. Oil exporting People knows what he's talking about when it comes to WW2.

I'm sure he knows. He's also a pro-South far rightist, so sorry for not believing a word he has to say about the issue. It's a wonder he's not pro-Axis powers imo.

So because a person has different political opinion from you his statement on the issue automatically becomes invalidated?

[Statecapistan]

I'm sure he knows. He's also a pro-South far rightist, so sorry for not believing a word he has to say about the issue. It's a wonder he's not pro-Axis powers imo.

So because a person has different political opinion from you his statement on the issue automatically becomes invalidated?

That's exactly what I said, yes. I mean, it's not like he has a colossal bias due to his political positions and the place he lives in and loves. Experts don't lie ever to support their prescriptive positions in their politics, religion or morals, obviously.

[Uxupox]

So because a person has different political opinion from you his statement on the issue automatically becomes invalidated?

That's exactly what I said, yes. I mean, it's not like he has a colossal bias due to his political positions and the place he lives in and loves. Experts don't lie ever to support their prescriptive positions in their politics, religion or morals, obviously.

The guy (gal?) is not revising history at all. What they stated are simple facts about the European front during WWII. You can find this by doing a casual reading of the US army quartermaster book of 1941-1945.

[Luminesa]

In which case he'd still be wrong, even if we discount the fact that it was only American supplies that allowed the Soviets to do such. By 1943, the disposition of German forces already had both fronts at about equal and this transitioned into a massive focus on the West in 1944; by the time of the Normandy Invasion, the Germans had already stripped the Eastern Front of its Panzer Divisions for use in France, with Army Group Center having no armored reserve and reduced to just 44 fighters for its entire area of operations due to demands in the West. Severe artillery shortages were also coming into effect, due to the needs of 25% of shell production to go towards AA purposes against the Anglo-American bombing campaign.

Look, I get your horniness for Murika, but it ain't that great. You don't need to revise history in its favor.

Not an argument. Give a reply showing where Oil-Exporting People is wrong, maybe? Because otherwise you’re just wasting posts.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Most anti-semitism comes from Mohamedan intruders, smuggled in by Merkel's government.

1: "Mohamedan" is an incorrect, archaic term, thought of as offensive by some Muslims. Better to just call us what we are: Muslims.
2: Article points to 2 sources: judaophobic Muslims and judaophobic alt-fighters.
3: No one is 'intruding, nor being 'smuggled in by Merkel'.

[Vassenor]

Most anti-semitism comes from Mohamedan intruders, smuggled in by Merkel's government.

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

[Anglo Pan-Europe]

Most anti-semitism comes from Mohamedan intruders, smuggled in by Merkel's government.

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

Even “by” and “most”? XD
But look- we have to agree that Merkel, regardless of your political opinion, is trying to make things better for everyone. She isn’t “smuggling” people from the Middle East to basically convert Germany into an Islamic paradise, she’s actually caring about people outside her country’s borders. As for anti-semitism, according to the article it isn’t an Islamic problem in Germany, and this surge of this sentiment was before Merkel- beginning in the earlier half of the 2000’s.
Edit- it wasn’t from the article, but from an earlier post.

[Bakery Hill]

Most anti-semitism comes from Mohamedan intruders, smuggled in by Merkel's government.

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

Are you saying that Muslims are, as a necessarily broad generalisation, less or about as anti-Semitic than non-Muslim Europeans?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Most anti-semitism comes from Mohamedan intruders, smuggled in by Merkel's government.

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

[Statecapistan]

Look, I get your horniness for Murika, but it ain't that great. You don't need to revise history in its favor.

Not an argument. Give a reply showing where Oil-Exporting People is wrong, maybe? Because otherwise you’re just wasting posts.

Too bad I wasn’t the one making the assertions, so I have fuck all to prove to anyone.