Anti-Semitism in Germany again

[Liriena]

alt light vs alt right

Exactly, and I could very easily see the Alt-Light and Berniebros uniting one day.

You mean the same "Berniebros" who tend to consider the "alt-light" to be a bunch of chuds whose only purpose is being useful gateway drugs into Nazism?

[Oil exporting People]

You mean the same "Berniebros" who tend to consider the "alt-light" to be a bunch of chuds

That might be the way you view it, but on the macro level, the similarities are astounding.

whose only purpose is being useful gateway drugs into Nazism?

On this, we are in agreement; once the limits of civic nationalism and still operating within the confines of what modern culture constitutes as acceptable becomes clear as being unable to fix modern society, then many of the Alt-Light do indeed crossover.

[Bakery Hill]

alt light vs alt right

Exactly, and I could very easily see the Alt-Light and Berniebros uniting one day.

Under what grounds?

If you mean a street battle, it wouldn't be much of one at all; the closest thing the Alt-Light has to a street force is the Proud Boys, and they're already filled with Alt-Right supporters (Lots of evidence out there Gavin has to keep purging it) while the Alt-Right has groups like the previously mentioned TWP, Vanguard America, League of the South and others (DS Book Clubs recently showed up Antifa in Austin I believe it was). If you mean on a ideological battle, that's been going on for quite some time.

Yeah the Proud Boys are a bit of a running joke. While the far right can draw from what's left of the old skinhead gangs. Not much of a contest but it'd still be funny.

[Oil exporting People]

Under what grounds?

The Alt Light obviously isn't all that concerned with social conservatism or race, while the Berniebros are, at least from what I've seen, generally fine with (Cultural) American Nationalism and are more concerned with economic issues than they are with "social justice" issues; sure, they still support them, but they don't seem to have made them a major focus in a sense. Both also can agree on a distrust of corporations, among other issues.

Yeah the Proud Boys are a bit of a running joke. While the far right can draw from what's left of the old skinhead gangs. Not much of a contest but it'd still be funny.

The fact the NSM is still around is a joke, but the rest of the Alt-Rights street fighting force is young and active; Atomwaffen, however, terrifies me a bit because their antics are liable to lead to something stupid. They do make good propaganda, however.

[Bakery Hill]

Under what grounds?

The Alt Light obviously isn't all that concerned with social conservatism or race, while the Berniebros are, at least from what I've seen, generally fine with (Cultural) American Nationalism and are more concerned with economic issues than they are with "social justice" issues; sure, they still support them, but they don't seem to have made them a major focus in a sense. Both also can agree on a distrust of corporations, among other issues.

I'd say that was broadly accurate, but while these Berniebro types remained wedded to the cultural left movement, they'll be part of that thing that gives your Milo and McInnes types relevance. I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

The fact the NSM is still around is a joke, but the rest of the Alt-Rights street fighting force is young and active; Atomwaffen, however, terrifies me a bit because their antics are liable to lead to something stupid. They do make good propaganda, however.

From what I've seen those types are definitely a great liability for the serious alt right.

[Aellex]

Some of it is from Muslims, but not all of it.

I don't have the background on this issue to give a more detailed answer.

Well, not all of it of course but ironically enough the far-right (at least in France, again) has dropped massively its traditional antisemitism (tho there still remain important amount of it) and is now increasingly trying to "court" Jews into it.

And that's fair enough.

[Radiatia]

And yes, lets get this out of the way, yes, not everyone in the alt right is a raciest, sexiest, homophobe, whatever.

Someday I hope to win the award for being the world's raciest, sexiest homophobe.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And yes, lets get this out of the way, yes, not everyone in the alt right is a raciest, sexiest, homophobe, whatever.

Someday I hope to win the award for being the world's raciest, sexiest homophobe.

[Nyazi Germany]

How much of this Anti-Semitism comes from Muslims tho? If the situation in Germany is similar to the one in France, then I would say most of it.

Probably all of it.
It's just another reason to deport all Muslims.

>Taking people hostile to the jews
>Not wanting anti-semitism

Pick one.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Oh for fuck's sake Alt right, this shit again?

> Centrists cause mass Islamic influx
> Said influx isn't exactly friendly to Jewry
> The Right gets blamed
> TFW

Yeah, because both alt-right and bad Muslims are to blame for this, not just 1 side.
And nice overgeneralization of us

[Risottia]

... his Jewish faith didn't matter to classmates or neighbors.
...Last week, thousands of protesters in Berlin burned Israeli flags to protest President Trump's controversial decision on Dec. 7 to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. ...
"I never thought that could happen in the middle of Berlin. That's something you see in other parts of the world. It's really disturbing,"

Oh for fuck's sake. More people equating the opposition to the Israeli policies to antisemitism.

Yeah, there's resurgent antisemitism in Europe, Germany included (no wonder, as the AfD is basically a thinly-disguised Neo-Nazi party). Still, I'm not buying into this shitty Israeli propaganda shouting "Israel=Jews" everywhere. Sorry, Jews are one thing, Israel is another, and the Israeli government is still another one.

[Proctopeo]

... his Jewish faith didn't matter to classmates or neighbors.
...Last week, thousands of protesters in Berlin burned Israeli flags to protest President Trump's controversial decision on Dec. 7 to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. ...
"I never thought that could happen in the middle of Berlin. That's something you see in other parts of the world. It's really disturbing,"

Oh for fuck's sake. More people equating the opposition to the Israeli policies to antisemitism.

Yeah, there's resurgent antisemitism in Europe, Germany included (no wonder, as the AfD is basically a thinly-disguised Neo-Nazi party). Still, I'm not buying into this shitty Israeli propaganda shouting "Israel=Jews" everywhere. Sorry, Jews are one thing, Israel is another, and the Israeli government is still another one.

Nice meme.

Also, many times (certainly not all, but it's frequent) anti-Zionism is used as a cover for anti-semitism.

[The Alma Mater]

... his Jewish faith didn't matter to classmates or neighbors.
...Last week, thousands of protesters in Berlin burned Israeli flags to protest President Trump's controversial decision on Dec. 7 to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. ...
"I never thought that could happen in the middle of Berlin. That's something you see in other parts of the world. It's really disturbing,"

Oh for fuck's sake. More people equating the opposition to the Israeli policies to antisemitism.

Yeah, there's resurgent antisemitism in Europe, Germany included (no wonder, as the AfD is basically a thinly-disguised Neo-Nazi party).

The AfD is utterly irrelevant in this. Allmost all antisemitism is from muslims.
Ask the Jews themselves.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Can the OP display another article? I haven't read the protesters viewpoint on whether they claim they are alt-right or not. Besides it's rare to see a "right" protest against another right.

[Risottia]

Oh for fuck's sake. More people equating the opposition to the Israeli policies to antisemitism.

Yeah, there's resurgent antisemitism in Europe, Germany included (no wonder, as the AfD is basically a thinly-disguised Neo-Nazi party). Still, I'm not buying into this shitty Israeli propaganda shouting "Israel=Jews" everywhere. Sorry, Jews are one thing, Israel is another, and the Israeli government is still another one.

Nice meme.

Meaning that according to you they aren't?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04 ... llor-race/
... Björn Höcke, the senior party figure who caused controversy earlier this year when he called for Germany to stop feeling remorse for its Nazi past.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gauland
In September 2017, a video emerged of Gauland in which he said that Germany should "be proud of" its soldiers in both world wars and people should no longer "reproach" Germans for World War Two. He was quoted as saying: "If the French are rightly proud of their emperor and the Britons of Nelson and Churchill, we have the right to be proud of the achievements of the German soldiers in two world wars". In response, Germany's justice minister tweeted that the statements showed that Gauland's AfD was on the extreme right.[11] His comment was defended by numerous right-leaning supporters both publicly and on social media.

Also, many times (certainly not all, but it's frequent) anti-Zionism is used as a cover for anti-semitism.

Define "many" and "frequent".
By the way, there's plenty of Jews (both Israelis and non-Israelis) who oppose the policies of the Israeli government. I guess "many" of them are "often" antisemitic, according to you.

[Rostavykhan]

Oh for fuck's sake. More people equating the opposition to the Israeli policies to antisemitism.

Yeah, there's resurgent antisemitism in Europe, Germany included (no wonder, as the AfD is basically a thinly-disguised Neo-Nazi party).

The AfD is utterly irrelevant in this. Allmost all antisemitism is from muslims.
Ask the Jews themselves.

^

The " AfD are Nazis guise" is a bad and outdated meme anyways.

And no, saying "we shouldn't constantly put ourselves down for something people did before we were born" doesn't make you a Nazi.

Then again, the Western/White Left sees Nazis everywhere were there are none.

[Reploid Productions]

How much of this Anti-Semitism comes from Muslims tho? If the situation in Germany is similar to the one in France, then I would say most of it.

Probably all of it.
It's just another reason to deport all Muslims.

In other words, "All Muslims are anti-Semitic" aka textbook "All X are Y" type trolling. Which you have been smacked for repeatedly. The ice is growing thin beneath your feet. If you do not shape up and figure out how to argue within the bounds of the site rules soon, it is quite likely deletion is in your not-too-distant future.

*** Donut section, 7-day ban for trolling. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Proctopeo]

Nice meme.

Meaning that according to you they aren't?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04 ... llor-race/
... Björn Höcke, the senior party figure who caused controversy earlier this year when he called for Germany to stop feeling remorse for its Nazi past.

I mean, it has been 72 years. They've paid off war reparations (except to Poland cough cough), erased all traces, and have apologized their heads off every day since WWII ended.
Like other countries with their own atrocities, it's time to move on. Other countries have done the same - apologize, denounce the actions, and move on as a people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gauland
In September 2017, a video emerged of Gauland in which he said that Germany should "be proud of" its soldiers in both world wars and people should no longer "reproach" Germans for World War Two. He was quoted as saying: "If the French are rightly proud of their emperor and the Britons of Nelson and Churchill, we have the right to be proud of the achievements of the German soldiers in two world wars". In response, Germany's justice minister tweeted that the statements showed that Gauland's AfD was on the extreme right.[11] His comment was defended by numerous right-leaning supporters both publicly and on social media.

WWI, definitely. With WWII it's wise to acknowledge the humanity of the soldiers (and that, certainly, many weren't really sure about this "Nazism" thing, but fought anyway).
Piss on the graves of the leaders, not the soldiers.

Also, many times (certainly not all, but it's frequent) anti-Zionism is used as a cover for anti-semitism.

Define "many" and "frequent".
By the way, there's plenty of Jews (both Israelis and non-Israelis) who oppose the policies of the Israeli government. I guess "many" of them are "often" antisemitic, according to you.

Define "define".
Also,

[Luminesa]

The article makes passing references to the AfD and thieves being inconsiderate idiots, while at the same time pointing to Muslims as the primary Anti-Semite group. Furthermore, I see nothing in the article that points directly to sexism and homophobia. So...what are we arguing?

[Thermodolia]

The article makes passing references to the AfD and thieves being inconsiderate idiots, while at the same time pointing to Muslims as the primary Anti-Semite group. Furthermore, I see nothing in the article that points directly to sexism and homophobia. So...what are we arguing?

But but the SJWs!! Da Nazis!!

[Luminesa]

The article makes passing references to the AfD and thieves being inconsiderate idiots, while at the same time pointing to Muslims as the primary Anti-Semite group. Furthermore, I see nothing in the article that points directly to sexism and homophobia. So...what are we arguing?

But but the SJWs!! Da Nazis!!

If we’re gonna talk about the alt-right and SJWs, at the very least attempt to find articles consistent with the theme.

[Holy Tedalonia]

The article makes passing references to the AfD and thieves being inconsiderate idiots, while at the same time pointing to Muslims as the primary Anti-Semite group. Furthermore, I see nothing in the article that points directly to sexism and homophobia. So...what are we arguing?

I have no idea, I've been trying to figure out. The article seems to point fingers and not really explain. I mean Americans have burnt American flags as a sign of protest (on the left), but when someon burns a Israeli flag that's racism? Also the protest was mainly against trump which the alt-right rarely ever does, and the pockets of the Muslim community is involved? They display a random Nazi as a attempt to link the protesters to Nazis. At this point I'm calling this whole anti-semitism thing bogus.

[Luminesa]

The article makes passing references to the AfD and thieves being inconsiderate idiots, while at the same time pointing to Muslims as the primary Anti-Semite group. Furthermore, I see nothing in the article that points directly to sexism and homophobia. So...what are we arguing?

I have no idea, I've been trying to figure out. The article seems to point fingers and not really explain. I mean Americans have burnt American flags as a sign of protest (on the left), but when someon burns a Israeli flag that's racism? Also the protest was mainly against trump which the alt-right rarely ever does, and the pockets of the Muslim community is involved? They display a random Nazi as a attempt to link the protesters to Nazis. At this point I'm calling this whole anti-semitism thing bogus.

I wouldn’t say it’s all bogus, but the OP says one thing and the article says another.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I have no idea, I've been trying to figure out. The article seems to point fingers and not really explain. I mean Americans have burnt American flags as a sign of protest (on the left), but when someon burns a Israeli flag that's racism? Also the protest was mainly against trump which the alt-right rarely ever does, and the pockets of the Muslim community is involved? They display a random Nazi as a attempt to link the protesters to Nazis. At this point I'm calling this whole anti-semitism thing bogus.

I wouldn’t say it’s all bogus, but the OP says one thing and the article says another.

I'm mean Ofcourse it's not all bogus, but I'm mean I doubt there is a anti-semitism resurgence. It seems more directed to Isreal rather than Jews in general.

[Luminesa]

I wouldn’t say it’s all bogus, but the OP says one thing and the article says another.

I'm mean Ofcourse it's not all bogus, but I'm mean I doubt there is a anti-semitism resurgence. It seems more directed to Isreal rather than Jews in general.

That too.