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Who are your preferred potential 2020 Democratic contenders?

Bernie Sanders
150
29%
Joe Biden
99
19%
Elizabeth Warren
77
15%
Martin O'Malley
32
6%
Cory Booker
34
7%
Kirsten Gillibrand
23
4%
Kamala Harris
42
8%
Andrew Cuomo
15
3%
Chris Murphy
13
3%
Sherrod Brown
28
5%
 
Total votes : 513

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:13 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes actually he is.


I admit lack of knowledge of militias but how exactly to they regulate them?


We have regulations. that enforce behavior, protocol, authority structure, equipment systems, ethics, etc. And procedures to enforce said regulations.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:15 pm

Post War America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The idea of needing to be in a militia to exercise the right to bear arms is a modern invention that arose in 1939.


Except its explicitly in the original language of the United States Constitution:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This is literally the exact text emphasis mine.


Words had different meaning in 1776. That doesn't refer to government regulation.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I admit lack of knowledge of militias but how exactly to they regulate them?


We have regulations. that enforce behavior, protocol, authority structure, equipment systems, ethics, etc. And procedures to enforce said regulations.


Is that for yourselves and or for the state?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:16 pm

Post War America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The idea of needing to be in a militia to exercise the right to bear arms is a modern invention that arose in 1939.


Except its explicitly in the original language of the United States Constitution:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This is literally the exact text emphasis mine.


Purpose and function are seperate. Just like how your right to a lawyer is to prevent unfair criminal proceedings, but you can retain a lawyer even outside of such a criminal proceeding.
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Postby Post War America » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Except its explicitly in the original language of the United States Constitution:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This is literally the exact text emphasis mine.


Words had different meaning in 1776. That doesn't refer to government regulation.


I never said government regulated did I?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:17 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We have regulations. that enforce behavior, protocol, authority structure, equipment systems, ethics, etc. And procedures to enforce said regulations.


Is that for yourselves and or for the state?


For ourselves, they're self determined and self enforced
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:18 pm

Post War America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Words had different meaning in 1776. That doesn't refer to government regulation.


I never said government regulated did I?


I thought that's where you were going with it.

Either way as per Heller the Court has decided you don't need to be in a militia to exercise the right. Even if they did say otherwise it would mean nothing because the militia is supposed to be everyone.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Is that for yourselves and or for the state?


For ourselves, they're self determined and self enforced


Ok. Thanks.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Jordkloden » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:18 pm

I'm surprised that more people haven't voted for Cory Booker in the poll. I have this feeling in my gut that he'll run for the nomination. He's pretty good on social issues but has lots of connections to big tech companies so maybe that'll be something that the more left-leaning wing will hold against him.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:20 pm

Kramanica wrote:
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See, this is just an absurd concept to me because basing an opinion on memes is less than stupid.

It's literally brainless.

Much of the public is brainless.

What's your point?

Not that brainless.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:21 pm

Kramanica wrote:
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Hmmm The gun stroker argument of if the Jews had guns?

Well, the Nazis did outlaw guns for Jews.

Let's play a basic thought experiment. Which populace is easier to control? One that is armed or one that isn't armed?

But didn't ban them for German citizens, funny that. Unless you're declaring gun owners The New Jews.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:22 pm

Jordkloden wrote:I'm surprised that more people haven't voted for Cory Booker in the poll. I have this feeling in my gut that he'll run for the nomination. He's pretty good on social issues but has lots of connections to big tech companies so maybe that'll be something that the more left-leaning wing will hold against him.

I voted for him. If anyone were to beat Trump, I'd be least upset if it were Booker.

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Postby Crockerland » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:23 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You in a well regulated militia?


Yes, also not relevant.

yeah ikm basically a genius law expert with all the CNN i watch adn basically because the words "well regulated militia" are in the second amendment that means that, even though in the 1700s it was completely legal to own a private warship and many of the original founding state documents explicitly protected the rights of people to own guns for home defense and hunting, the constitution only says you can own a gun if you're in a well-regulated militia, just like how since the first amendment talks about religion free speech is only protected if its religious
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:24 pm

Jordkloden wrote:I'm surprised that more people haven't voted for Cory Booker in the poll. I have this feeling in my gut that he'll run for the nomination. He's pretty good on social issues but has lots of connections to big tech companies so maybe that'll be something that the more left-leaning wing will hold against him.

I voted Booker
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:24 pm

Hey guys the Gun Control thread is that way, it’s not here.
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Postby Jordkloden » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:I voted Booker

There's something about him that, to me, screams good leadership. Not sure why.
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:I'm surprised that more people haven't voted for Cory Booker in the poll. I have this feeling in my gut that he'll run for the nomination. He's pretty good on social issues but has lots of connections to big tech companies so maybe that'll be something that the more left-leaning wing will hold against him.

I voted Booker

Yep, voted for him as well, seems like an alright guy, compared to other people on the poll at least.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:28 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Hey guys the Gun Control thread is that way, it’s not here.


Yeah, it's getting tangential in here.
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Postby Jordkloden » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:28 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I voted Booker

Yep, voted for him as well, seems like an alright guy, compared to other people on the poll at least.

Although I feel like Biden won't wanna run, I voted for him anyway. (Also voted for Kamala who I hope runs) The others I just don't know much about or I think they just wouldn't be a good president.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:33 pm

Jordkloden wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Yep, voted for him as well, seems like an alright guy, compared to other people on the poll at least.

Although I feel like Biden won't wanna run, I voted for him anyway. (Also voted for Kamala who I hope runs) The others I just don't know much about or I think they just wouldn't be a good president.

Well we agree on two of the three. I like Biden and Booker but I think Kamala Harris would lose big time.
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Postby Jordkloden » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:Although I feel like Biden won't wanna run, I voted for him anyway. (Also voted for Kamala who I hope runs) The others I just don't know much about or I think they just wouldn't be a good president.

Well we agree on two of the three. I like Biden and Booker but I think Kamala Harris would lose big time.

You are right, I was being pretty optimistic with that one. I like her, but realize she probably wouldn't be the one. How do you feel about Kirsten Gilibrand?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:38 pm

I think Kamala should spend more time in the Senate, anyway. You know...MAYBE finish at least one term.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:39 pm

Jordkloden wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well we agree on two of the three. I like Biden and Booker but I think Kamala Harris would lose big time.

You are right, I was being pretty optimistic with that one. I like her, but realize she probably wouldn't be the one. How do you feel about Kirsten Gilibrand?

I honestly don’t know much about Gilibrand. I would love for Gabbard to run though
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:40 pm

Gabbard would be alright imo.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Gabbard would be alright imo.

Gabbard/Brown or Biden/Gabbard. That’s who I’d want to see run.
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