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Who are your preferred potential 2020 Democratic contenders?

Bernie Sanders
150
29%
Joe Biden
99
19%
Elizabeth Warren
77
15%
Martin O'Malley
32
6%
Cory Booker
34
7%
Kirsten Gillibrand
23
4%
Kamala Harris
42
8%
Andrew Cuomo
15
3%
Chris Murphy
13
3%
Sherrod Brown
28
5%
 
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:14 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Corrian wrote:Stuff like this is why I think she'd be an iffy choice. Because I know there are at least some Democrats you'd tolerate, or at least not make you freaking vote for Trump and vote independent again. And I'm guessing there are quite a few like that. Because I know we could pick a candidate that could get quite a few people over in support.


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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:15 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Corrian wrote:Stuff like this is why I think she'd be an iffy choice. Because I know there are at least some Democrats you'd tolerate, or at least not make you freaking vote for Trump and vote independent again. And I'm guessing there are quite a few like that. Because I know we could pick a candidate that could get quite a few people over in support.


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Postby Post War America » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:15 am

Corrian wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Not the worst candidate the Dems could field for POTUS in 2020. Though tbf I've heard Dems seriously talking about running Hillary again.

I haven't seen that. Who the fuck thinks that is a good idea?


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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:17 am

Corrian wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Not the worst candidate the Dems could field for POTUS in 2020. Though tbf I've heard Dems seriously talking about running Hillary again.

I haven't seen that. Who the fuck thinks that is a good idea?

Telconi wrote:You'd have to get a lot worse than Trump before you get to Kamala Harris territory.

I dunno. Trump makes this country an embarrassment on a daily basis. Blatantly so. I don't know how you can get much worse than Trump. I know your reasoning's for it, but I just can't see how Harris is worse than Trump. Only so many are worse than Trump and what he's doing to our country (Roy Moore and that freaking Nazi running for Ryan's seat). But I guess it is partly because I care about things like the freaking environment a little more than guns, and not having our environment just trashed under this administration, and that we're in a critical time when we have to move away to better things and blah blah blah.


You're entitled to your opinions. But I'd put Paul Nehlen in the Oval Office before Kamala Harris.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:17 am

Also on Biden, I've seen "Hypothetical polling" showing him doing better than Sanders in a general election, albeit slightly.

I honestly think if his son hadn't died, Biden would be President right now. Or Sanders, because of the three way ticket.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:18 am

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:I haven't seen that. Who the fuck thinks that is a good idea?


I dunno. Trump makes this country an embarrassment on a daily basis. Blatantly so. I don't know how you can get much worse than Trump. I know your reasoning's for it, but I just can't see how Harris is worse than Trump. Only so many are worse than Trump and what he's doing to our country (Roy Moore and that freaking Nazi running for Ryan's seat). But I guess it is partly because I care about things like the freaking environment a little more than guns, and not having our environment just trashed under this administration, and that we're in a critical time when we have to move away to better things and blah blah blah.


You're entitled to your opinions. But I'd put Paul Nehlength in the Oval Office before Kamala Harris.

Who?

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Postby Post War America » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:18 am

Corrian wrote:Also on Biden, I've seen "Hypothetical polling" showing him doing better than Sanders in a general election, albeit slightly.

I honestly think if his son hadn't died, Biden would be President right now. Or Sanders, because of the three way ticket.


Likely Biden. He's popular enough among registered Dems, and memey enough to win over less serious leftists.
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:21 am

Post War America wrote:
Corrian wrote:Also on Biden, I've seen "Hypothetical polling" showing him doing better than Sanders in a general election, albeit slightly.

I honestly think if his son hadn't died, Biden would be President right now. Or Sanders, because of the three way ticket.


Likely Biden. He's popular enough among registered Dems, and memey enough to win over less serious leftists.

I often do wonder how large of a role memes will play in future elections.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:21 am

Telconi wrote:You're entitled to your opinions. But I'd put Paul Nehlen in the Oval Office before Kamala Harris.

Okay, let's not go that far now.

Post War America wrote:Likely Biden. He's popular enough among registered Dems, and memey enough to win over less serious leftists.

Isn't it weird how something like Biden's son dying can make us in our current situation?

San Lumen wrote:Who?

The practical Nazi.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:22 am

Corrian wrote:
Telconi wrote:You're entitled to your opinions. But I'd put Paul Nehlen in the Oval Office before Kamala Harris.

Okay, let's not go that far now.

Post War America wrote:Likely Biden. He's popular enough among registered Dems, and memey enough to win over less serious leftists.

Isn't it weird how something like Biden's son dying can make us in our current situation?

San Lumen wrote:Who?

The practical Nazi.


Why not?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:24 am

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:Okay, let's not go that far now.


Isn't it weird how something like Biden's son dying can make us in our current situation?


The practical Nazi.


Why not?

If you literally think a guy who literally went on about the "Jews" critical of him is preferable, I don't know what to say.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:26 am

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:I haven't seen that. Who the fuck thinks that is a good idea?


I dunno. Trump makes this country an embarrassment on a daily basis. Blatantly so. I don't know how you can get much worse than Trump. I know your reasoning's for it, but I just can't see how Harris is worse than Trump. Only so many are worse than Trump and what he's doing to our country (Roy Moore and that freaking Nazi running for Ryan's seat). But I guess it is partly because I care about things like the freaking environment a little more than guns, and not having our environment just trashed under this administration, and that we're in a critical time when we have to move away to better things and blah blah blah.


You're entitled to your opinions. But I'd put Paul Nehlen in the Oval Office before Kamala Harris.

You'd put anyone in office before a Democrat, though. :^)
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:27 am

Kramanica wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Not the worst candidate the Dems could field for POTUS in 2020. Though tbf I've heard Dems seriously talking about running Hillary again.

If she runs again I can happily say #I'mWithHer.

Not because I actually want her to win, but because I know it would be the easiest Republican victory since Reagan beat Mondale.

Someone's stinging from Moore not winning.
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:29 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kramanica wrote:If she runs again I can happily say #I'mWithHer.

Not because I actually want her to win, but because I know it would be the easiest Republican victory since Reagan beat Mondale.

Someone's stinging from Moore not winning.

Tbh I'd forgotten about that right up until you mentioned it.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:29 am

Corrian wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why not?

If you literally think a guy who literally went on about the "Jews" critical of him is preferable, I don't know what to say.



Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:30 am

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:If you literally think a guy who literally went on about the "Jews" critical of him is preferable, I don't know what to say.



Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.

So you'd set up our country with a literal Nazi in charge. Great.
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Postby Post War America » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:31 am

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:If you literally think a guy who literally went on about the "Jews" critical of him is preferable, I don't know what to say.



Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.


That sort of thinking is rather dangerous citizen.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:32 am

My biggest grievance with Biden, with everything said, would be his age. He would be 78 upon election.

Corrian is right too. Biden is no stranger to tragedy, but with his son's death in 2015, it really handicapped his willingness to run in 2016 (something he now says he sorta regrets not doing).
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:32 am

Corrian wrote:
Telconi wrote:

Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.

So you'd set up our country with a literal Nazi in charge. Great.

Maybe he's scared of being Replaced.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:33 am

Corrian wrote:
Telconi wrote:

Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.

So you'd set up our country with a literal Nazi in charge. Great.


A literal Nazi that would then dig up this info about him and then screw him over with it, potentially.

Well, you know what they say about "Arguments Too Dumb To Live."

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:33 am

Senkaku wrote:
Telconi wrote:
You're entitled to your opinions. But I'd put Paul Nehlen in the Oval Office before Kamala Harris.

You'd put anyone in office before a Democrat, though. :^)


Some day you'll make a statement based in reality my friend. I have faith.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:33 am

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:If you literally think a guy who literally went on about the "Jews" critical of him is preferable, I don't know what to say.



Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.

I find your dictatorial opinions highly disturbing.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:34 am

Post War America wrote:
Telconi wrote:

Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.


That sort of thinking is rather dangerous citizen.


There's a simple procedure to avoiding that. Don't come for me.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:35 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:

Well, if push comes to shove, I'm not a Jew.


Don't say anything. Just on the day of your primary check any box not next to the name 'Kamala Harris'.

I find your dictatorial opinions highly disturbing.


The feeling is mutual.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:36 am

Telconi wrote:


There's a simple procedure to avoiding that. Don't come for me.


They're going to come for you anyway tho.

Plus, if we're going down, you're going down with us, so we'd report you anyway for the lulz.

So, they're coming for you no matter what.

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