The State of the Democratic Party II

[Corrian]

Why do you think so?

She's smart, competent, an inspiring leader and has experience as state attorney general. That latter part makes her unique. No President has ever served as a state Attorney General.

Experience as state attorney that she used to do shady shit, it seems.

[Corrian]

Gabbard or Biden or Booker. Sherrod Brown is a maybe but definitely could be VP to one of the three

Id be happy with all three of those.

You'd be happy as long as they're a Democrat. I'm not really sure you care about any possible negatives of said Democratic candidates, just as long as they're a Democrat.

[Corrian]

So the Republican Senate can block everything they do? no thanks.

No so that there’s balance. It’s either the senate or the house. One has to be controlled by the republicans and I choose the senate.

No party should have complete control over the government. One party states are bad.

Proven by the current state of affairs. But right now Republicans are trash in the Senate and trash in the House, so I don't really want them controlling either.

[Post War America]

Why do you think so?

She's smart, competent, an inspiring leader and has experience as state attorney general. That latter part makes her unique. No President has ever served as a state Attorney General.

She's also a neoliberal in favor of strict firearm law (among many of the other unpopular elements of the standard democratic litmus test), which is something that would turn off centrists in Ohio and Pennsylvania, as well as potentially labor more generally in the rust belt, and continue alienating the left. In effect, she's too much like Clinton.

[Washington Resistance Army]

IIRC Harris also has a really sketchy record when it comes to prisons and things but I might be thinking of someone else.

[Corrian]

IIRC Harris also has a really sketchy record when it comes to prisons and things but I might be thinking of someone else.

I think ironically she could have prosecuted one of our current members of Trump's administration, but didn't.

[Thermodolia]

In any case I want a democrat president a Republican senate and a democratic house. No party should control all of congress and no party should have control of both congress and the presidency.

Be honest, you just want a split government so we can all come back and complain about a government that does nothing.

No. I gave my reasons

[Telconi]

In any case I want a democrat president a Republican senate and a democratic house. No party should control all of congress and no party should have control of both congress and the presidency.

Be honest, you just want a split government so we can all come back and complain about a government that does nothing.

Y'all complaining doesn't concern me, but a government that does nothing doesn't sound half bad to me.

[Kramanica]

So a SOTU data dump by the DNC reveals they're completely fucking broke.

[Telconi]

IIRC Harris also has a really sketchy record when it comes to prisons and things but I might be thinking of someone else.

She has a very sketchy record when it comes to prisons, and the CJ system in general. She basically talks a good talk, and then either doesn't follow through, or in many cases actively fights for the opposite of her supposed position.

[Major-Tom]

IIRC Harris also has a really sketchy record when it comes to prisons and things but I might be thinking of someone else.

She has a very sketchy record when it comes to prisons, and the CJ system in general. She basically talks a good talk, and then either doesn't follow through, or in many cases actively fights for the opposite of her supposed position.

So I've heard. Not a fan of Harris, hope she doesn't run in our primaries, but still preferable to Mr. Trump.

[Washington Resistance Army]

She has a very sketchy record when it comes to prisons, and the CJ system in general. She basically talks a good talk, and then either doesn't follow through, or in many cases actively fights for the opposite of her supposed position.

So I've heard. Not a fan of Harris, hope she doesn't run in our primaries, but still preferable to Mr. Trump.

Not even. I'd happily vote Trump over her.

[Major-Tom]

Brown is closer to Sanders. He’s basically a nod to that half of the party.

I like Booker he has some great ideas and he’s not really out there in terms of politics. Though my dream ticket would be Gabbard/Brown or Biden/Gabbard

Booker seems Clinton-ish. Big business wall street type.

I wasn't a fan of Booker for a while, but I can excuse his ties to Wall Street, because, let's face it, most all Senators have those ties.

Booker, to me, seems pragmatic on economics (see his tenure as Mayor of Newark with deficit reduction and downtown development using public private partnerships) and also his strong stances on civil liberties (anti foreign intervention, weed legalization, etc).

So, Booker is a decent choice. Not my favorite, but someone I can respect even if I find his personality to be fake. His tenure as Mayor of Newark was overall pretty good, so is his tenure as a Senator.

[Post War America]

She has a very sketchy record when it comes to prisons, and the CJ system in general. She basically talks a good talk, and then either doesn't follow through, or in many cases actively fights for the opposite of her supposed position.

So I've heard. Not a fan of Harris, hope she doesn't run in our primaries, but still preferable to Mr. Trump.

If she does I certainly hope democratic insiders can avoid the bullshit they did last time she was up for a position and call everyone who doesn't vote for her a racist sexist bigoted pig-dog.

[San Lumen]

Booker seems Clinton-ish. Big business wall street type.

I wasn't a fan of Booker for a while, but I can excuse his ties to Wall Street, because, let's face it, most all Senators have those ties.

Booker, to me, seems pragmatic on economics (see his tenure as Mayor of Newark with deficit reduction and downtown development using public private partnerships) and also his strong stances on civil liberties (anti foreign intervention, weed legalization, etc).

So, Booker is a decent choice. Not my favorite, but someone I can respect even if I find his personality to be fake. His tenure as Mayor of Newark was overall pretty good, so is his tenure as a Senator.

I think Booker would be a great candidate

[Kramanica]

I wasn't a fan of Booker for a while, but I can excuse his ties to Wall Street, because, let's face it, most all Senators have those ties.

Booker, to me, seems pragmatic on economics (see his tenure as Mayor of Newark with deficit reduction and downtown development using public private partnerships) and also his strong stances on civil liberties (anti foreign intervention, weed legalization, etc).

So, Booker is a decent choice. Not my favorite, but someone I can respect even if I find his personality to be fake. His tenure as Mayor of Newark was overall pretty good, so is his tenure as a Senator.

I think Booker would be a great candidate

The tears of rage guy?

Please, that jerk off is a shit Senator and would be a shit candidate.

[Post War America]

I think Booker would be a great candidate

The tears of rage guy?

Please, that jerk off is a shit Senator and would be a shit candidate.

Not the worst candidate the Dems could field for POTUS in 2020. Though tbf I've heard Dems seriously talking about running Hillary again.

[Corrian]

So I've heard. Not a fan of Harris, hope she doesn't run in our primaries, but still preferable to Mr. Trump.

Not even. I'd happily vote Trump over her.

Stuff like this is why I think she'd be an iffy choice. Because I know there are at least some Democrats you'd tolerate, or at least not make you freaking vote for Trump and vote independent again. And I'm guessing there are quite a few like that. Because I know we could pick a candidate that could get quite a few people over in support.

[Telconi]

She has a very sketchy record when it comes to prisons, and the CJ system in general. She basically talks a good talk, and then either doesn't follow through, or in many cases actively fights for the opposite of her supposed position.

So I've heard. Not a fan of Harris, hope she doesn't run in our primaries, but still preferable to Mr. Trump.

You'd have to get a lot worse than Trump before you get to Kamala Harris territory.

[Kramanica]

The tears of rage guy?

Please, that jerk off is a shit Senator and would be a shit candidate.

Not the worst candidate the Dems could field for POTUS in 2020. Though tbf I've heard Dems seriously talking about running Hillary again.

If she runs again I can happily say #I'mWithHer.

Not because I actually want her to win, but because I know it would be the easiest Republican victory since Reagan beat Mondale.

[San Lumen]

I think Booker would be a great candidate

The tears of rage guy?

Please, that jerk off is a shit Senator and would be a shit candidate.

You probably think any Democrat would be a bad candidate

[Kramanica]

The tears of rage guy?

Please, that jerk off is a shit Senator and would be a shit candidate.

You probably think any Democrat would be a bad candidate

True, but he in particular is a special kind of terrible.

[Major-Tom]

Not even. I'd happily vote Trump over her.

Stuff like this is why I think she'd be an iffy choice. Because I know there are at least some Democrats you'd tolerate, or at least not make you freaking vote for Trump and vote independent again. And I'm guessing there are quite a few like that. Because I know we could pick a candidate that could get quite a few people over in support.

[Corrian]

The tears of rage guy?

Please, that jerk off is a shit Senator and would be a shit candidate.

Not the worst candidate the Dems could field for POTUS in 2020. Though tbf I've heard Dems seriously talking about running Hillary again.

I haven't seen that. Who the fuck thinks that is a good idea?

You'd have to get a lot worse than Trump before you get to Kamala Harris territory.

I dunno. Trump makes this country an embarrassment on a daily basis. Blatantly so. I don't know how you can get much worse than Trump. I know your reasoning's for it, but I just can't see how Harris is worse than Trump. Only so many are worse than Trump and what he's doing to our country (Roy Moore and that freaking Nazi running for Ryan's seat). But I guess it is partly because I care about things like the freaking environment a little more than guns, and not having our environment just trashed under this administration, and that we're in a critical time when we have to move away to better things and blah blah blah.

[Post War America]

Not the worst candidate the Dems could field for POTUS in 2020. Though tbf I've heard Dems seriously talking about running Hillary again.

If she runs again I can happily say #I'mWithHer.

Not because I actually want her to win, but because I know it would be the easiest Republican victory since Reagan beat Mondale.

I would rather not. I would rather avoid accusations by butthurt liberals that myself and people like me are responsible for Trump. I'd like them to get over that shit and learn the bloody lesson that socially progressive urbanist neoliberalism is not going to work on a national level.