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Who are your preferred potential 2020 Democratic contenders?

Bernie Sanders
150
29%
Joe Biden
99
19%
Elizabeth Warren
77
15%
Martin O'Malley
32
6%
Cory Booker
34
7%
Kirsten Gillibrand
23
4%
Kamala Harris
42
8%
Andrew Cuomo
15
3%
Chris Murphy
13
3%
Sherrod Brown
28
5%
 
Total votes : 513

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.


WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.


WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:04 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.


WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?


She doesn't like guns so she is evil in his books.....
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:07 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?


She doesn't like guns so she is evil in his books.....


Damn double post -_-

Also, I'm anti-gun-ban but if that's his only reason... Yeah, pretty weak reason.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:10 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.


WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?


She's a black Hillary Clinton. Thanks but no thanks.
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:45 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
She doesn't like guns so she is evil in his books.....


Damn double post -_-

Also, I'm anti-gun-ban but if that's his only reason... Yeah, pretty weak reason.

Yeah, what kind of weak wimp would oppose a candidate just for overtly opposing one of their constitutionally-guaranteed human rights? haha next you'll be telling me you'd oppose a candidate just because they want the police to be able to break into your house without a warrant, or just because they want to lock up critics of the government.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:47 pm

Crockerland wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Damn double post -_-

Also, I'm anti-gun-ban but if that's his only reason... Yeah, pretty weak reason.

Yeah, what kind of weak wimp would oppose a candidate just for overtly opposing one of their constitutionally-guaranteed human rights? haha next you'll be telling me you'd oppose a candidate just because they want the police to be able to break into your house without a warrant, or just because they want to lock up critics of the government.


You should realize that the people you're talking with and about think that those scenario and taking away the da gunz aren't comparable.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:48 pm

Crockerland wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Damn double post -_-

Also, I'm anti-gun-ban but if that's his only reason... Yeah, pretty weak reason.

Yeah, what kind of weak wimp would oppose a candidate just for overtly opposing one of their constitutionally-guaranteed human rights? haha next you'll be telling me you'd oppose a candidate just because they want the police to be able to break into your house without a warrant, or just because they want to lock up critics of the government.


:roll: You're trying to propagandize at someone who is anti-gun-ban. GG.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?


She's a black Hillary Clinton. Thanks but no thanks.

As in she has a center-left platform or she's wishy-washy and opportunistic?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
She's a black Hillary Clinton. Thanks but no thanks.

As in she has a center-left platform or she's wishy-washy and opportunistic?


Why not both?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:As in she has a center-left platform or she's wishy-washy and opportunistic?


Why not both?

But is she the latter?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:53 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Why not both?

But is she the latter?


I'd say so, yeah.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:But is she the latter?


I'd say so, yeah.

Just did some quick research and oh lovely...she's a lawyer.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Yeah, what kind of weak wimp would oppose a candidate just for overtly opposing one of their constitutionally-guaranteed human rights? haha next you'll be telling me you'd oppose a candidate just because they want the police to be able to break into your house without a warrant, or just because they want to lock up critics of the government.


You should realize that the people you're talking with and about think that those scenario and taking away the da gunz aren't comparable.


Didn't you know Valri. Trump is anti-immigration. Clearly that's the only reason to oppose him.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:00 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?


She doesn't like guns so she is evil in his books.....

The only position on guns she has on OnTheIssues.com is that she oppose violent ex-cons and the mentally ill having guns.
And that means she gets a 7% rating from the NRA which only confirms why I don't care what the NRA thinks.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Kam ... ontrol.htm

Other than that she seems like a typical centrist/center-left Democrat.
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'd say so, yeah.

Just did some quick research and oh lovely...she's a lawyer.


It's also worth noting that she has some fairly... bizarre views on education.

Notably she wants to make the parents of children who skip class criminally liable. So, uh, yeah... I guess there's that.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:03 pm

Sanctissima wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Just did some quick research and oh lovely...she's a lawyer.


It's also worth noting that she has some fairly... bizarre views on education.

Notably she wants to make the parents of children who skip class criminally liable. So, uh, yeah... I guess there's that.

Yeah I saw that and that is....completely fucking stupid.
Here's a better thought on education, if you're going to make attendance mandatory than the state gets to pay for all the school supplies that parents have to pay for every year.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
She doesn't like guns so she is evil in his books.....

The only position on guns she has on OnTheIssues.com is that she oppose violent ex-cons and the mentally ill having guns.
And that means she gets a 7% rating from the NRA which only confirms why I don't care what the NRA thinks.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Kam ... ontrol.htm

Other than that she seems like a typical centrist/center-left Democrat.


She's also said things like the 2A shouldn't exist and that the Supreme Court is wrong on everything in addition lots of other idiocy.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:06 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.


WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?

She pretty much said the 2nd amendment should be repealed.

Seems to have done shady things as Attorney General

It appears she may have also been able to prosecute one of our current people in government, but didn't.

I don't really specifically have sources, so lemme dig them up. Gotta save this shit.
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:07 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
She doesn't like guns so she is evil in his books.....

The only position on guns she has on OnTheIssues.com is that she oppose violent ex-cons and the mentally ill having guns.
And that means she gets a 7% rating from the NRA which only confirms why I don't care what the NRA thinks.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Kam ... ontrol.htm

Other than that she seems like a typical centrist/center-left Democrat.

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2017/8/18/kamala-harris-tries-to-export-california-gun-control-to-the-nation/
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-newsom-harris-call-for-increased-gun-1506963841-htmlstory.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/us/second-amendment-concealed-carry.html
You probably shouldn't just get your information from that one site and consider that conclusive.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'd say so, yeah.

Just did some quick research and oh lovely...she's a lawyer.

She was an Attorney General, so that's kind of a given.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:08 pm

Corrian wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
WHat's wrong with Kamala Harris?

She pretty much said the 2nd amendment should be repealed.

Seems to have done shady things as Attorney General

It appears she may have also been able to prosecute one of our current people in government, but didn't.

I don't really specifically have sources, so lemme dig them up. Gotta save this shit.

This I saw, gimme a sec.
EDIT: Found it.
In 2012, Superior Court Judge Anne-Christine Massullo ruled that San Francisco District Attorney Harris' office violated defendants' rights by hiding damaging information about a police crime lab technician, and was indifferent to demands that it account for its failings.[47]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Ha ... ction_rate
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:12 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
It's also worth noting that she has some fairly... bizarre views on education.

Notably she wants to make the parents of children who skip class criminally liable. So, uh, yeah... I guess there's that.

Yeah I saw that and that is....completely fucking stupid.
Here's a better thought on education, if you're going to make attendance mandatory than the state gets to pay for all the school supplies that parents have to pay for every year.


Well, I wouldn't go that far.

Doing so would inherently mean higher taxes, so they'd end up having to pay for it one way or the other. Better to keep the current system in place in that regard.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:19 pm

Sanctissima wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah I saw that and that is....completely fucking stupid.
Here's a better thought on education, if you're going to make attendance mandatory than the state gets to pay for all the school supplies that parents have to pay for every year.


Well, I wouldn't go that far.

Doing so would inherently mean higher taxes, so they'd end up having to pay for it one way or the other. Better to keep the current system in place in that regard.

Better for who? Not the parents or the children.
My mother could barely afford to pay rent after paying for this mandatory stuff every year.

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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:22 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Well, I wouldn't go that far.

Doing so would inherently mean higher taxes, so they'd end up having to pay for it one way or the other. Better to keep the current system in place in that regard.

Better for who? Not the parents or the children.
My mother could barely afford to pay rent after paying for this mandatory stuff every year.


Oh, maybe it's different in the US.

Did you go to public school? In Canada, parents generally only pay for basic school supplies (paper, pencils, pens, binders, etc.). It usually doesn't cost that much, maybe $100.00 bucks a year.

What did they make your mother pay for?

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