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Who are your preferred potential 2020 Democratic contenders?

Bernie Sanders
150
29%
Joe Biden
99
19%
Elizabeth Warren
77
15%
Martin O'Malley
32
6%
Cory Booker
34
7%
Kirsten Gillibrand
23
4%
Kamala Harris
42
8%
Andrew Cuomo
15
3%
Chris Murphy
13
3%
Sherrod Brown
28
5%
 
Total votes : 513

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Postby Zyr and Pony » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:33 am

Telconi wrote:
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They're also short on money, being a "taxes are gay" state.

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalran ... stvirginia


Better off than California, which has no issue with taxes whatsoever.


No issues with taxes, whatsoever? Are you living in a parallel universe? Because here in the real world, The CA assembly cannot touch the property tax, locked at an abysmally low 1%, and requires a two thirds majority to increase any other taxes statewide.

(We're looking to repeal it, though)
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:06 am

The East Marches II wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
They're also short on money, being a "taxes are gay" state.

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalran ... stvirginia


Ha! New Jersey is also worse than us in fiscal health. Less corrupt and in better shape financially. Thank God.


I blame Christie. It might not be his fault, but it probably is.
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Postby Ism » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:51 am

Valrifell wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Ha! New Jersey is also worse than us in fiscal health. Less corrupt and in better shape financially. Thank God.


I blame Christie. It might not be his fault, but it probably is.


Yeah, that’s probably true.

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Postby Collatis » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:34 am

Everything is Chris Christie’s fault.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:38 am

Collatis wrote:Everything is Chris Christie’s fault.

Especially traffic congestions.
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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:57 pm

Collatis wrote:Everything is Chris Christie’s fault.


It's his fault work was so busy tonight? :blink:
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:59 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Collatis wrote:Everything is Chris Christie’s fault.

Especially traffic congestions.


And genocide.

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Postby Ism » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:51 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Collatis wrote:Everything is Chris Christie’s fault.


It's his fault work was so busy tonight? :blink:


Probably, yeah.

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Postby Dixie » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:08 am

I voted Biden/Sanders. Uncle Joe would make a dandy president.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:27 pm

Collatis wrote:Everything is Chris Christie’s fault.


^^
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Postby Ngelmish » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:18 am

Dixie wrote:I voted Biden/Sanders. Uncle Joe would make a dandy president.


I've reconsidered my previous support of Biden. Although he'd be a technically fine president, I think his behavior since, but especially during, the last election varies enough from typical political self-promotion to be called actively sabotaging other Democratic candidates in an election that he wasn't even running in. That should disqualify him from party leadership.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:22 am

Ngelmish wrote:
Dixie wrote:I voted Biden/Sanders. Uncle Joe would make a dandy president.


I've reconsidered my previous support of Biden. Although he'd be a technically fine president, I think his behavior since, but especially during, the last election varies enough from typical political self-promotion to be called actively sabotaging other Democratic candidates in an election that he wasn't even running in. That should disqualify him from party leadership.

The Democrats try to be the grownups in the room and the public makes them pay for it. Biden has the straight talk candor that cultists claim Donnie has without the vulgarity and sordid history.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Ngelmish » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:07 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
I've reconsidered my previous support of Biden. Although he'd be a technically fine president, I think his behavior since, but especially during, the last election varies enough from typical political self-promotion to be called actively sabotaging other Democratic candidates in an election that he wasn't even running in. That should disqualify him from party leadership.

The Democrats try to be the grownups in the room and the public makes them pay for it. Biden has the straight talk candor that cultists claim Donnie has without the vulgarity and sordid history.


His repeated jabs at Clinton during the primary were obnoxious, but understandable enough (although his bizarre punch-down specifically at O'Malley comes close to crossing a line), but then the fact that he continued backhandedly insulting Clinton while, supposedly campaigning for her is not the action of a good party leader. I get it, Joe Biden wants to be president and resented losing out to what he assumed would be a Clinton presidency. But publicly laying the groundwork to run just in case she loses during the election should be seen as disqualifying.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:11 am

Zyr and Pony wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Better off than California, which has no issue with taxes whatsoever.


No issues with taxes, whatsoever? Are you living in a parallel universe? Because here in the real world, The CA assembly cannot touch the property tax, locked at an abysmally low 1%, and requires a two thirds majority to increase any other taxes statewide.

(We're looking to repeal it, though)


What's the cigarette tax? what's the gas tax? what's the car tag tax?

Tax burden has been increased on a lot of people drastically in the last couple years and you're complaining about how difficult it is to hit them harder? Goodness that's nauseating.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:39 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
I've reconsidered my previous support of Biden. Although he'd be a technically fine president, I think his behavior since, but especially during, the last election varies enough from typical political self-promotion to be called actively sabotaging other Democratic candidates in an election that he wasn't even running in. That should disqualify him from party leadership.

The Democrats try to be the grownups in the room and the public makes them pay for it. Biden has the straight talk candor that cultists claim Donnie has without the vulgarity and sordid history.


Creepy old uncle "touchy-feely" Joe "without the vulgarity and sordid history". :rofl:

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Postby Kramanica » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:50 am

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Postby Kramanica » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:51 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
I've reconsidered my previous support of Biden. Although he'd be a technically fine president, I think his behavior since, but especially during, the last election varies enough from typical political self-promotion to be called actively sabotaging other Democratic candidates in an election that he wasn't even running in. That should disqualify him from party leadership.

The Democrats try to be the grownups in the room and the public makes them pay for it. Biden has the straight talk candor that cultists claim Donnie has without the vulgarity and sordid history.

Oh yah, Maxine Waters is definitely a grownup.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:19 pm



Iirc it's been in single digits for a bit according to 538. Dunno what's that about.

I assume the average is ~8% which by no means is minor.
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Postby Collatis » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:09 pm

Valrifell wrote:


Iirc it’s been in single digits for a bit according to 538. Dunno what’s that about.

I assume the average is ~8% which by no means is minor.

It had been in single digits, but then went back to double digits, before decreasing again in the past few days.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:11 pm

Collatis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Iirc it’s been in single digits for a bit according to 538. Dunno what’s that about.

I assume the average is ~8% which by no means is minor.

It had been in single digits, but then went back to double digits, before decreasing again in the past few days.


I don't know why it's bouncing all over the place lately. I still think the safe money is on Republicans losing the House.
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Postby Collatis » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:38 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Collatis wrote:It had been in single digits, but then went back to double digits, before decreasing again in the past few days.


I don’t know why it’s bouncing all over the place lately. I still think the safe money is on Republicans losing the House.

I’d say it’s more likely than not.

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Postby Corrian » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:21 pm

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Postby Corrian » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:23 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:The Democrats try to be the grownups in the room and the public makes them pay for it. Biden has the straight talk candor that cultists claim Donnie has without the vulgarity and sordid history.


His repeated jabs at Clinton during the primary were obnoxious, but understandable enough (although his bizarre punch-down specifically at O'Malley comes close to crossing a line), but then the fact that he continued backhandedly insulting Clinton while, supposedly campaigning for her is not the action of a good party leader. I get it, Joe Biden wants to be president and resented losing out to what he assumed would be a Clinton presidency. But publicly laying the groundwork to run just in case she loses during the election should be seen as disqualifying.

I dunno, I liked how he wasn't afraid to call out Clinton in the election.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:37 pm

Corrian wrote:

...This link is 2 months old.

just think how shrunk it must be since then!

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:34 am

Corrian wrote:

...This link is 2 months old.


It's always interesting watching Trump supporters scramble to find sources that backup the world view that everything's fine. This is fine, and he's fine
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