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Who are your preferred potential 2020 Democratic contenders?

Bernie Sanders
150
29%
Joe Biden
99
19%
Elizabeth Warren
77
15%
Martin O'Malley
32
6%
Cory Booker
34
7%
Kirsten Gillibrand
23
4%
Kamala Harris
42
8%
Andrew Cuomo
15
3%
Chris Murphy
13
3%
Sherrod Brown
28
5%
 
Total votes : 513

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:58 pm

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Ah, yes, the morally bankrupt atheist vote, who have for years striven to oppress the millions upon millions of Christians in the country through their overwhelming doubt.

Also, yeah, "vibrant", like when they tried to ban Dungeons & Dragons.


Times were simpler then, I kinda wish we could return to the GOP banning D&D and the Dems banning Grand Theft Auto.


Err didn't the repubs support that as well?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:59 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Times were simpler then, I kinda wish we could return to the GOP banning D&D and the Dems banning Grand Theft Auto.


Err didn't the repubs support that as well?


Everyone did for a while, and I'll never understand why but it's still a fun little part of political history.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Ah, yes, the morally bankrupt atheist vote, who have for years striven to oppress the millions upon millions of Christians in the country through their overwhelming doubt.

Also, yeah, "vibrant", like when they tried to ban Dungeons & Dragons.


Times were simpler then, I kinda wish we could return to the GOP banning D&D and the Dems banning Grand Theft Auto.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:00 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Err didn't the repubs support that as well?


Everyone did for a while, and I'll never understand why but it's still a fun little part of political history.


I know. They never learn the demand to play the game goes up when they try to "protect" people.
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Postby Jordkloden » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:00 pm

Apparently, Maryland representative John Delaney is the first major democrat to announce his campaign for 2020. He quite seriously just ran super bowl ads on NBC stations in Iowa. He's already spent over $600,000 of his own money (he's quite wealthy).
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:01 pm

Jordkloden wrote:Apparently, Maryland representative John Delaney is the first major democrat to announce his campaign for 2020. He quite seriously just ran super bowl ads on NBC stations in Iowa. He's already spent over $600,000 of his own money (he's quite wealthy).

Hes not going to get the nomination.

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Postby Jordkloden » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:Apparently, Maryland representative John Delaney is the first major democrat to announce his campaign for 2020. He quite seriously just ran super bowl ads on NBC stations in Iowa. He's already spent over $600,000 of his own money (he's quite wealthy).

Hes not going to get the nomination.

You are most likely correct, sir.
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Postby Ism » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:18 pm

Jordkloden wrote:Apparently, Maryland representative John Delaney is the first major democrat to announce his campaign for 2020. He quite seriously just ran super bowl ads on NBC stations in Iowa. He's already spent over $600,000 of his own money (he's quite wealthy).


Well, I didn't see anything that screamed "this guy would be awful" so I'm open to giving him a shot. Will have to see his policy positions before I pay him much mind though.

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Postby Jordkloden » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:01 pm

Ism wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:Apparently, Maryland representative John Delaney is the first major democrat to announce his campaign for 2020. He quite seriously just ran super bowl ads on NBC stations in Iowa. He's already spent over $600,000 of his own money (he's quite wealthy).


Well, I didn't see anything that screamed "this guy would be awful" so I'm open to giving him a shot. Will have to see his policy positions before I pay him much mind though.

Yeah, I haven't been able to glean much from his website other than he's opposed to gerrymandering.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:59 pm

Jordkloden wrote:
Ism wrote:
Well, I didn't see anything that screamed "this guy would be awful" so I'm open to giving him a shot. Will have to see his policy positions before I pay him much mind though.

Yeah, I haven't been able to glean much from his website other than he's opposed to gerrymandering.


He entered absurdly early, which is his first shot in the foot. Couple that with low low name recognition among other things, he may not even make it to the actual primaries.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:03 pm

Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.


He literally can't. It is humanly impossible.
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Postby Jordkloden » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:53 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:Yeah, I haven't been able to glean much from his website other than he's opposed to gerrymandering.


He entered absurdly early, which is his first shot in the foot. Couple that with low low name recognition among other things, he may not even make it to the actual primaries.

That and well, he's certainly no looker.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:24 am

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Corrian wrote:I'd agree with Bernie. But I am fine with GMO's being labeled. Nuclear power done properly though is fine.

I just feel like they shouldn't be labeled. I feel like it makes a stigma against the science. Maybe a small label. Nothing huge.

I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:28 am

Telconi wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Well, he can't be worse than someone like Kamala Harris.


He literally can't. It is humanly impossible.

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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:56 am

Corrian wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:I just feel like they shouldn't be labeled. I feel like it makes a stigma against the science. Maybe a small label. Nothing huge.

I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.


I don't think it's hugely important one way or the other.

Where I live, a lot of GMO products are labeled because Vermont has a labeling law and some companies think it's easier to just label everything than to keep Vermont's food separate from the neighboring states. The labels are small and very easy to ignore if you just aren't interested.
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Postby Jordkloden » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:48 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Corrian wrote:I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.


I don't think it's hugely important one way or the other.

Where I live, a lot of GMO products are labeled because Vermont has a labeling law and some companies think it's easier to just label everything than to keep Vermont's food separate from the neighboring states. The labels are small and very easy to ignore if you just aren't interested.

Yeah, that seems like a fair compromise.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:40 am

Corrian wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:I just feel like they shouldn't be labeled. I feel like it makes a stigma against the science. Maybe a small label. Nothing huge.

I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.

Yeah, but a lot of the people who are pushing for this sticker bullshit are doing it because they have "health concerns" over the safety of GMOs, which is ridiculous anti-scientific fearmongering bullshit almost on par with anti-vaxxing and which should not be given any concessions in any way ever.
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Postby Ism » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:00 am

Senkaku wrote:
Corrian wrote:I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.

Yeah, but a lot of the people who are pushing for this sticker bullshit are doing it because they have "health concerns" over the safety of GMOs, which is ridiculous anti-scientific fearmongering bullshit almost on par with anti-vaxxing and which should not be given any concessions in any way ever.


Don’t know if it’s as bad as anti-vaxxing, though it is a pretty ignorant movement. I just figure the consumer should be able to know what’s in their food, even if they’re going to make a poor decision. The solution to that is raising awareness on the usefulness and safety of gmos, I think, not trying to trick people into eating them.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:06 am

Senkaku wrote:
Corrian wrote:I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.

Yeah, but a lot of the people who are pushing for this sticker bullshit are doing it because they have "health concerns" over the safety of GMOs, which is ridiculous anti-scientific fearmongering bullshit almost on par with anti-vaxxing and which should not be given any concessions in any way ever.


People should have the right to make their own decisions. Want to avoid "GMOs" go for it. Want to avoid eating animal products, go for it. Want to avoid eating what gluten, go for it.

Making choices for people is bad, regardless of what you think they should do.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:38 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Corrian wrote:I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.

Yeah, but a lot of the people who are pushing for this sticker bullshit are doing it because they have "health concerns" over the safety of GMOs, which is ridiculous anti-scientific fearmongering bullshit almost on par with anti-vaxxing and which should not be given any concessions in any way ever.


It's nowhere near comparable to anti-vax. There's no health benefit to eating GMOs the way there is with getting vaccinated.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:50 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Yeah, but a lot of the people who are pushing for this sticker bullshit are doing it because they have "health concerns" over the safety of GMOs, which is ridiculous anti-scientific fearmongering bullshit almost on par with anti-vaxxing and which should not be given any concessions in any way ever.


It's nowhere near comparable to anti-vax. There's no health benefit to eating GMOs the way there is with getting vaccinated.

But there is no downside or detrimental effect from a food being genetically modified, as anti-GMO activists like to suggest. GMOs are one of our best hopes to actually be able to feed the world, and it drives me crazy that some people act as if a crop having some modified genes makes it unsafe to eat.

If you want to go after Monsanto and big agra and pesticides, go after that, not after GMOs themselves as a concept. They're not the problem here.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:01 pm

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Corrian wrote:I support it because most of the companies behind GMO's are pieces of shit. So I think it is fair for people to make their own life choices of not wanting to support that.

Yeah, but a lot of the people who are pushing for this sticker bullshit are doing it because they have "health concerns" over the safety of GMOs, which is ridiculous anti-scientific fearmongering bullshit almost on par with anti-vaxxing and which should not be given any concessions in any way ever.

Nobody's gotten sick from eating GMO crops, much less turn into an Umbrella zombie.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:02 pm

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It's nowhere near comparable to anti-vax. There's no health benefit to eating GMOs the way there is with getting vaccinated.

But there is no downside or detrimental effect from a food being genetically modified, as anti-GMO activists like to suggest. GMOs are one of our best hopes to actually be able to feed the world, and it drives me crazy that some people act as if a crop having some modified genes makes it unsafe to eat.

If you want to go after Monsanto and big agra and pesticides, go after that, not after GMOs themselves as a concept. They're not the problem here.


There's no inherent health benefit to being a vegan, should we stop labelling ingredients?
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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It's nowhere near comparable to anti-vax. There's no health benefit to eating GMOs the way there is with getting vaccinated.

But there is no downside or detrimental effect from a food being genetically modified, as anti-GMO activists like to suggest. GMOs are one of our best hopes to actually be able to feed the world, and it drives me crazy that some people act as if a crop having some modified genes makes it unsafe to eat.

If you want to go after Monsanto and big agra and pesticides, go after that, not after GMOs themselves as a concept. They're not the problem here.


We actually produce enough food already. It's just that it's not distributed well and a lot goes to waste. There's no detrimental effects from eating Idaho potatoes, but I still prefer the Maine ones. How is this different?
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