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Who are your preferred potential 2020 Democratic contenders?

Bernie Sanders
150
29%
Joe Biden
99
19%
Elizabeth Warren
77
15%
Martin O'Malley
32
6%
Cory Booker
34
7%
Kirsten Gillibrand
23
4%
Kamala Harris
42
8%
Andrew Cuomo
15
3%
Chris Murphy
13
3%
Sherrod Brown
28
5%
 
Total votes : 513

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Postby Jordkloden » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:53 pm

Collatis wrote:Bernie is also my favorite Democrat, although he still identifies as an independent.

You are correct. I had forgotten. Hmm. I guess I'll switch my answer to Ted Lieu or some such fellow like that.
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Postby Jordkloden » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:58 pm

Corrian wrote:I'd agree with Bernie. But I am fine with GMO's being labeled. Nuclear power done properly though is fine.

I just feel like they shouldn't be labeled. I feel like it makes a stigma against the science. Maybe a small label. Nothing huge.
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MERIZoC wrote:Everyone who was skeptical when I disparaged Gabbard's supposed "progressivism": hello


wtf I love Gabbard even more now


:rofl:

MFW MERIZoC posts an attack piece on Gabbard and just feeds the Tulsi shills...
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:09 pm

Jordkloden wrote:Who would you guys say that your favorite democrat is? Personally, I still gotta give it to Bernie. He has very few ideas I outright disagree with. I don't like that he doesn't like nuclear power, and I don't want GMO's labeled. Other than that, I am content.

Since Bernie technically isn't a Democrat, probably Elizabeth Warren for me.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
wtf I love Gabbard even more now


:rofl:

MFW MERIZoC posts an attack piece on Gabbard and just feeds the Tulsi shills...

What, am I supposed to be owned because a far-rightist likes her? It proves my point lol.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:15 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Telconi wrote:
:rofl:

MFW MERIZoC posts an attack piece on Gabbard and just feeds the Tulsi shills...

What, am I supposed to be owned because a far-rightist likes her? It proves my point lol.


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Postby Ism » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:What, am I supposed to be owned because a far-rightist likes her? It proves my point lol.


Your meme is bad and you should feel bad


Quiet you, we all know you're part of the evil far-right conspiracy bent on destroying the left from within.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:47 pm

Ism wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Your meme is bad and you should feel bad


Quiet you, we all know you're part of the evil far-right conspiracy bent on destroying the left from within.


You have no proof!
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Ism wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Your meme is bad and you should feel bad


Quiet you, we all know you're part of the evil far-right conspiracy bent on destroying the left from within.

Yeah, okay, whatever you say. :roll:
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Postby Ism » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ism wrote:
Quiet you, we all know you're part of the evil far-right conspiracy bent on destroying the left from within.


You have no proof!


Nonsense, I have a list of 55 87112 confirmed right wing plants right here!

Freezic Vast wrote:
Ism wrote:
Quiet you, we all know you're part of the evil far-right conspiracy bent on destroying the left from within.

Yeah, okay, whatever you say. :roll:


That, good sir, was sarcasm.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:54 pm

Ism wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You have no proof!


Nonsense, I have a list of 55 87112 confirmed right wing plants right here!

Freezic Vast wrote:Yeah, okay, whatever you say. :roll:


That, good sir, was sarcasm.


Yeah I know, so was mine.
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Postby Jordkloden » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:06 pm

What did you guys think of Kennedy's SOTU response? (Sorry if we already talked about it)

Personally, I thought it was alright. I liked his use of E Pluribus Unum at the end. I wish that was the motto again. In God We Trust is just boring.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:45 pm

Jordkloden wrote:What did you guys think of Kennedy's SOTU response? (Sorry if we already talked about it)

Personally, I thought it was alright. I liked his use of E Pluribus Unum at the end. I wish that was the motto again. In God We Trust is just boring.


It was alright, yeah. Seemed like it was a speech that fired up the progressive base, but didn't fire up much anybody else, and that is where the problem lies. But, to be fair, it's just a SOTU response. It isn't the end of the world if it sorta fell flat.

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Postby Hakons » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:46 pm

Jordkloden wrote:What did you guys think of Kennedy's SOTU response? (Sorry if we already talked about it)

Personally, I thought it was alright. I liked his use of E Pluribus Unum at the end. I wish that was the motto again. In God We Trust is just boring.


Democrats showing, once again, that religious people should not support them. ;)
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:00 pm

Hakons wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:What did you guys think of Kennedy's SOTU response? (Sorry if we already talked about it)

Personally, I thought it was alright. I liked his use of E Pluribus Unum at the end. I wish that was the motto again. In God We Trust is just boring.


Democrats showing, once again, that religious people should not support them. ;)

>religious people shouldn’t support democrats because they don’t say God at least fifty times
>assuming all religious people are of faiths with a singular, masculine leaning deity
>assuming that using the good old E Pluribus Unum instead of In God We Trust means they hate religion

I don’t like the Democrats but that’s some crap logic.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:01 pm

Hakons wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:What did you guys think of Kennedy's SOTU response? (Sorry if we already talked about it)

Personally, I thought it was alright. I liked his use of E Pluribus Unum at the end. I wish that was the motto again. In God We Trust is just boring.


Democrats showing, once again, that religious people should not support them. ;)

They're too busy supporting serial adulterers and suspected statutory rapists anyways. :^]
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Postby Telconi » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:12 pm

Jordkloden wrote:What did you guys think of Kennedy's SOTU response? (Sorry if we already talked about it)

Personally, I thought it was alright. I liked his use of E Pluribus Unum at the end. I wish that was the motto again. In God We Trust is just boring.


I found the use of that phrase to be a cheap pander to his existing base, which is, in my opinion, the opposite of the meaning of that phrase.
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Postby Hakons » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:23 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Hakons wrote:
Democrats showing, once again, that religious people should not support them. ;)

>religious people shouldn’t support democrats because they don’t say God at least fifty times
>assuming all religious people are of faiths with a singular, masculine leaning deity
>assuming that using the good old E Pluribus Unum instead of In God We Trust means they hate religion

I don’t like the Democrats but that’s some crap logic.


Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian, should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom. They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality. This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic. Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.
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Postby Post War America » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:41 pm

Hakons wrote:
Sovaal wrote:>religious people shouldn’t support democrats because they don’t say God at least fifty times
>assuming all religious people are of faiths with a singular, masculine leaning deity
>assuming that using the good old E Pluribus Unum instead of In God We Trust means they hate religion

I don’t like the Democrats but that’s some crap logic.


Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian, should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom. They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality. This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic. Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.


Or it could be that the Democrats are attempting to stave off Dominionist attempts and enforcing a Christian theocracy on the rest of the American people, most namely preventing bullshit like "religious freedom" based attacks on the civil rights of virtually anyone outside a narrowly defined group. E Pluribus Unum WAS the original motto until 1956.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:55 pm

Hakons wrote:
Sovaal wrote:>religious people shouldn’t support democrats because they don’t say God at least fifty times
>assuming all religious people are of faiths with a singular, masculine leaning deity
>assuming that using the good old E Pluribus Unum instead of In God We Trust means they hate religion

I don’t like the Democrats but that’s some crap logic.


Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian,

Good for them. M
should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom.

And what restrictions on religious freedom is that? Can’t make kids pray in school?
They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality.

And what traditions are those?
This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic.

Again, good for them.
Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.

Or, more likely, instead of your ‘we hate religion Christianity, it’s a mention to the old American motto. It didn’t just come out of the blue.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:51 pm

Hakons wrote:
Sovaal wrote:>religious people shouldn’t support democrats because they don’t say God at least fifty times
>assuming all religious people are of faiths with a singular, masculine leaning deity
>assuming that using the good old E Pluribus Unum instead of In God We Trust means they hate religion

I don’t like the Democrats but that’s some crap logic.


Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian,


Almost all? Not really unless you call roughly 70% ish almost all. Even then they are not unified.

should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom.


:rofl: The "restrictions" tend to be against this delusional desire to threat others like crap because of muh religion.

They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality.


That is a lie. You still can practice your religion. You just can't force others to live your religion.

This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic. Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.


Their "dislike" are of fucknuts who expect everybody to live their religion.

Too bad the establishment clause prevents the poor Christians from setting up their sharia law.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:54 pm

Hakons wrote:
Sovaal wrote:>religious people shouldn’t support democrats because they don’t say God at least fifty times
>assuming all religious people are of faiths with a singular, masculine leaning deity
>assuming that using the good old E Pluribus Unum instead of In God We Trust means they hate religion

I don’t like the Democrats but that’s some crap logic.


Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian, should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom. They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality. This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic. Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.


Ah, yes, the morally bankrupt atheist vote, who have for years striven to oppress the millions upon millions of Christians in the country through their overwhelming doubt.

Also, yeah, "vibrant", like when they tried to ban Dungeons & Dragons.
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Postby Post War America » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:55 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Hakons wrote:
Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian, should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom. They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality. This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic. Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.


Ah, yes, the morally bankrupt atheist vote, who have for years striven to oppress the millions upon millions of Christians in the country through their overwhelming doubt.

Also, yeah, "vibrant", like when they tried to ban Dungeons & Dragons.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:56 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Hakons wrote:
Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian, should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom. They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality. This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic. Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.


Ah, yes, the morally bankrupt atheist vote, who have for years striven to oppress the millions upon millions of Christians in the country through their overwhelming doubt.

Also, yeah, "vibrant", like when they tried to ban Dungeons & Dragons.


Times were simpler then, I kinda wish we could return to the GOP banning D&D and the Dems banning Grand Theft Auto.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:57 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Hakons wrote:
Religious people, which in America is almost entirely Christian, should not support Democrats because they almost always push for secularism and restrictions on religious freedom. They push us away from tradition and towards their fabricated morality. This is why Democrats always get large majorities of the atheist/agnostic vote. This is why religious observance and Church attendance is inversely proportional to the likelihood of voting Democratic. Using E Pluribus Unum is one of the many ways that Democrats express their dislike of a vibrant religious culture that has characterized the majority of American history.


Ah, yes, the morally bankrupt atheist vote, who have for years striven to oppress the millions upon millions of Christians in the country through their overwhelming doubt.

Also, yeah, "vibrant", like when they tried to ban Dungeons & Dragons.


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