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Postby Escocaria » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:32 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramania wrote:Oh, good. Like teaching a dog not to bite. More animal than human.

These people are sick. Just like me. I want to see that sickness treated.
Would you throw someone with rabies in prison forever?

I mean...it'd deal with over-population...
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:33 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:These people are sick. Just like me. I want to see that sickness treated.
Would you throw someone with rabies in prison forever?

I mean...it'd deal with over-population...

Hey if that's the question we might as well just execute all the ill
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:33 pm

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Kramania wrote:Oh, good. Like teaching a dog not to bite. More animal than human.

These people are sick. Just like me. I want to see that sickness treated.
Would you throw someone with rabies in prison forever?

Their sickness makes them unempathetic and violent. They lack any basic sense of compassion.
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:33 pm

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Escocaria wrote:Well, we could say that or we could also say that we have a violent racist who is perfectly willing to do harm to others, purely because they don't share a skin tone, is not currently locked up.

I see you didn't read the bolded.

Oh I did read it but considering some states in the US (Looking at you, California) she'd still be able to get something because holy fucking shit, those places are insane.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:34 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramania wrote:Oh, good. Like teaching a dog not to bite. More animal than human.

These people are sick. Just like me. I want to see that sickness treated.
Would you throw someone with rabies in prison forever?

How dare you try to bring logic in this emotional fueled thread. For shame!
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:34 pm

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Escocaria wrote:I mean...it'd deal with over-population...

Hey if that's the question we might as well just execute all the ill

WOOOOO, SOCIAL DARWINISM!!!--I mean, uh, no, that's completely unethical and immoral. No culling the weak, no sirree.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:35 pm

Kramania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:These people are sick. Just like me. I want to see that sickness treated.
Would you throw someone with rabies in prison forever?

Their sickness makes them unempathetic and violent. They lack any basic sense of compassion.

And they are people. They havea right to live with their illness being treated just like anyone else
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Postby New haven america » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:35 pm

Kramania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:These people are sick. Just like me. I want to see that sickness treated.
Would you throw someone with rabies in prison forever?

Their sickness makes them unempathetic and violent. They lack any basic sense of compassion.

This is why most other developed countries (Excluding the US) send them to mental wards or asylums, so that they can get the help they need and won't pose a danger to the public.
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Postby Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:35 pm

New haven america wrote:1. Actually, most places in the US offer plea deals to most crimes in an attempt to stop overpopulation (While simultaneously locking small time drug users in there and causing the problem to being with)
2. How would they have not been caught? One of them live streamed it on their Facebook accounts...


1. I know this, however they had the proof on her face book and no one can tell me that no cops do not have face book. C'mon, that is how that catch a lot of people. There's the evidence filmed by the people themselves. No plea deal was required or needed.

2. This sorta proves they are sociopaths as a psychopath wants to remain free, if they want to be caught there is some serious issue there. Like Hannibal and etc. However, thing is Sociopaths act on impulse. Had their personalities been tweaked slightly differently, the chances of catching them in this is would of been low. At the same time, had they not thought to live stream it; Well they would of gotten away with is practically least for some time. Yet, that was not the case and I asked you; What if they had not been caught? We can not claim that they would not of done this again.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:36 pm

Escocaria wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Hey if that's the question we might as well just execute all the ill

WOOOOO, SOCIAL DARWINISM!!!--I mean, uh, no, that's completely unethical and immoral. No culling the weak, no sirree.

Yeah, so let's not
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:These people are sick. Just like me. I want to see that sickness treated.
Would you throw someone with rabies in prison forever?

How dare you try to bring logic in this emotional fueled thread. For shame!

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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:36 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramania wrote:Their sickness makes them unempathetic and violent. They lack any basic sense of compassion.

And they are people. They havea right to live with their illness being treated just like anyone else

It does seem that many of them would rather hurt other people than get their illness treated.
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:37 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kramania wrote:Their sickness makes them unempathetic and violent. They lack any basic sense of compassion.

This is why most other developed countries (Excluding the US) send them to mental wards or asylums, so that they can get the help they need and won't pose a danger to the public.

I'm fine with that, so long as they're separated from the rest of society.
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Postby Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:39 pm

Kramania wrote:
New haven america wrote:This is why most other developed countries (Excluding the US) send them to mental wards or asylums, so that they can get the help they need and won't pose a danger to the public.

I'm fine with that, so long as they're separated from the rest of society.

We used too, but they closed them ALL down. :rofl:
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:39 pm

Kramania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:And they are people. They havea right to live with their illness being treated just like anyone else

It does seem that many of them would rather hurt other people than get their illness treated.

Again, rabies.
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:41 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramania wrote:It does seem that many of them would rather hurt other people than get their illness treated.

Again, rabies.

People with rabies will die no matter what you do. It literally can't be cured. All you can do is make them semi-comfortable until they die. So that's not really the best comparison. Psychopaths, unfortunately, will live the rest of their natural lives.
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Postby Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:43 pm

Kramania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Again, rabies.

People with rabies will die no matter what you do. It literally can't be cured. All you can do is make them semi-comfortable until they die. So that's not really the best comparison. Psychopaths, unfortunately, will live the rest of their natural lives.

Uh.. rabies does have a cure. Actually two cures, one being a simple shot within an amount of certain time. I do not know how long, another cure has been tested on a few people including a small girl and it is where they make a self-induced coma. Which actually allows the immune system required and needed time for the human body to combat the rabies virus.

2nd Edit: First was a phrasing edit, however just to say; Yes the little girl did survive. :)
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:44 pm

Kramania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Again, rabies.

People with rabies will die no matter what you do. It literally can't be cured. All you can do is make them semi-comfortable until they die. So that's not really the best comparison. Psychopaths, unfortunately, will live the rest of their natural lives.

Let's not cull people cuz helping them is too hard, ok?
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:44 pm

Principality of the Raix wrote:
Kramania wrote:People with rabies will die no matter what you do. It literally can't be cured. All you can do is make them semi-comfortable until they die. So that's not really the best comparison. Psychopaths, unfortunately, will live the rest of their natural lives.

Uh.. rabies does have a cure. Actually two cures, one being a simple shot within an amount of certain time. I do not know how long, another cure has been tested on a few people including a small girl and it is where they make a self-induced coma. Which actually allows the immune system required and needed in the human body to combat the rabies virus.

I mean, if someone is vaccinated immediately after being bitten them yeah they can be saved. But if you wait too long... nah.
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:46 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramania wrote:People with rabies will die no matter what you do. It literally can't be cured. All you can do is make them semi-comfortable until they die. So that's not really the best comparison. Psychopaths, unfortunately, will live the rest of their natural lives.

Let's not cull people cuz helping them is too hard, ok?

I never advocated culling anyone. I'm just telling you the simple truth.

Look, maybe I'm being too harsh. I don't want to kill anyone. But psychopaths will always be a danger to other people. They need to be removed from society and sent to places where they can get help.
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Postby Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:46 pm

Kramania wrote:
Principality of the Raix wrote:Uh.. rabies does have a cure. Actually two cures, one being a simple shot within an amount of certain time. I do not know how long, another cure has been tested on a few people including a small girl and it is where they make a self-induced coma. Which actually allows the immune system required and needed in the human body to combat the rabies virus.

I mean, if someone is vaccinated immediately after being bitten them yeah they can be saved. But if you wait too long... nah.

Well doing the second cure actually works for those in those advanced stages, seeing as all our immunity normally needs is time and help to combat the virus. Seeing as we do not originally get this virus without being infected by an animal.

For reference
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:47 pm

Principality of the Raix wrote:
Kramania wrote:I mean, if someone is vaccinated immediately after being bitten them yeah they can be saved. But if you wait too long... nah.

Well doing the second cure actually works for those in those advanced stages, seeing as all our immunity normally needs is time and help to combat the virus. Seeing as we do not originally get this virus without being infected by an animal.

Do you have some source on this? Cause I'm 99% sure there is no cure for rabies if you wait too long.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:48 pm

Kramania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Let's not cull people cuz helping them is too hard, ok?

I never advocated culling anyone. I'm just telling you the simple truth.

Look, maybe I'm being too harsh. I don't want to kill anyone. But psychopaths will always be a danger to other people. They need to be removed from society and sent to places where they can get help.

I agree except for we should hospitilize them, y'know, like sick people, rather then locking them up
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Postby Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:49 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramania wrote:I never advocated culling anyone. I'm just telling you the simple truth.

Look, maybe I'm being too harsh. I don't want to kill anyone. But psychopaths will always be a danger to other people. They need to be removed from society and sent to places where they can get help.

I agree except for we should hospitilize them, y'know, like sick people, rather then locking them up

That's kind of what I mean by "get help".

Maximum security mental hospital sounds good.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:51 pm

Well, that's absolutely despicable.
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