Irreligious Discussion Thread: Welcome to the Nonery!

[Cetacea]

Why do we need a thread for this? I'm mostly asking as a personal question rather than as a mod because I am atheist and I don't see the point of it.

I'm inclined to agree here.

While there's nothing wrong with having an irreligious thread, there's very little discuss concerning a lack of belief in something, unless the thread serves as a possible umbrella thread for overall irreligious issues and curiosities, such as:

The Irreligious and Religion itself: There are some who are irreligious who greatly dislike religion, whilst there are those who actively attend churches or religious services as a community or cultural activity, or actively identify with a spiritual side that's not religious.
Religiousness and the law: Take the seven states in the US that have laws that prohibit atheists to run for elected office, or the heavily prevalent religious overtones in greater politics around the world.

Ummm... That's all I got really atm?

is the Struggle against religion a struggle for socialism?
do Atheist have a duty to oppose religion?
Should Atheism be taught in schools?
is Deism really a form of Atheism?
Can there an Atheist spirituality?
does anyone care about what I don't beleive in?
is there evidence that god does not exist? (joking)

[Thermodolia]

I just want a pint, tbh.

You have your priorities straight, I'll take a Rum and Coke.

Ill a have crown royal double on the rocks

[Methodological Individualism]

is the Struggle against religion a struggle for socialism?

Not necessarily.

do Atheist have a duty to oppose religion?

Not necessarily.

Should Atheism be taught in schools?

Taught in what sense?

is Deism really a form of Atheism?

No.

Can there an Atheist spirituality?

I understand it involves colanders.

does anyone care about what I don't beleive in?

Yes. You do.

is there evidence that god does not exist? (joking)

If "god" is of the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent variety, yes.

not joking

[Sulania]

I'm inclined to agree here.

While there's nothing wrong with having an irreligious thread, there's very little discuss concerning a lack of belief in something, unless the thread serves as a possible umbrella thread for overall irreligious issues and curiosities, such as:

The Irreligious and Religion itself: There are some who are irreligious who greatly dislike religion, whilst there are those who actively attend churches or religious services as a community or cultural activity, or actively identify with a spiritual side that's not religious.
Religiousness and the law: Take the seven states in the US that have laws that prohibit atheists to run for elected office, or the heavily prevalent religious overtones in greater politics around the world.

Ummm... That's all I got really atm?

is the Struggle against religion a struggle for socialism?
do Atheist have a duty to oppose religion?
Should atheism be taught in schools?
is Deism really a form of Atheism?
Can there an atheist spirituality?
does anyone care about what I don't beleive in?
is there evidence that god does not exist? (joking)

Not an atheist, so I can't really attest to many of these.

But I can answer that deism is not atheistic, and I can attest that atheists can hold spirituality. I know of atheists who attend Meetings for Worship at my meeting hall, as well as have their own private meeting to discuss their world views and such, either amongst themselves or friends who are religious who attend.

Oh, and how do you mean atheism being taught in school?

[Sovaal]

I'm inclined to agree here.

While there's nothing wrong with having an irreligious thread, there's very little discuss concerning a lack of belief in something, unless the thread serves as a possible umbrella thread for overall irreligious issues and curiosities, such as:

The Irreligious and Religion itself: There are some who are irreligious who greatly dislike religion, whilst there are those who actively attend churches or religious services as a community or cultural activity, or actively identify with a spiritual side that's not religious.
Religiousness and the law: Take the seven states in the US that have laws that prohibit atheists to run for elected office, or the heavily prevalent religious overtones in greater politics around the world.

Ummm... That's all I got really atm?

is the Struggle against religion a struggle for socialism?

Not particularly. Plenty of irreligious dictators.

do Atheist have a duty to oppose religion?

I mean beyond pointing out when a religion is carrying out a misjustice not really, beyond that it's personal choice.

Should Atheism be taught in schools?

I say we keep the spiritual side of humanity out of an institution designed to teach children about the physical world.

is Deism really a form of Atheism?

No.

Can there an Atheist spirituality?

I would say so. Someone cn be spiritual but not beleive in a god. Not my cuppa but there's people out there like that.

does anyone care about what I don't beleive in?

I care about the fact that you don't believe in the wrong thing in the wrong way! Prepare to die!

is there evidence that god does not exist? (joking)

Not enough colander shaped natural features. Sorry guys, TFSM isn't real.

/thread

[Genivaria]

I'm inclined to agree here.

While there's nothing wrong with having an irreligious thread, there's very little discuss concerning a lack of belief in something, unless the thread serves as a possible umbrella thread for overall irreligious issues and curiosities, such as:

The Irreligious and Religion itself: There are some who are irreligious who greatly dislike religion, whilst there are those who actively attend churches or religious services as a community or cultural activity, or actively identify with a spiritual side that's not religious.
Religiousness and the law: Take the seven states in the US that have laws that prohibit atheists to run for elected office, or the heavily prevalent religious overtones in greater politics around the world.

Ummm... That's all I got really atm?

is the Struggle against religion a struggle for socialism?
do Atheist have a duty to oppose religion?
Should Atheism be taught in schools?
is Deism really a form of Atheism?
Can there an Atheist spirituality?
does anyone care about what I don't beleive in?
is there evidence that god does not exist? (joking)

1. No those are separate things that sometime overlap.
2. No more than anyone else.
3. No.
4. By definition no.
5. Religion/Spirutality does not require theism so yes.
6. Alot of people care yes.
7. Morgan Freeman exists. Theists 1 Atheists 0.

[Methodological Individualism]

7. Morgan Freeman exists. Theists 1 Atheists 0.

Damnit...

**lays out Sunday best clothes for tomorrow morning**

[Ashlak]

Why do we need a thread for this? I'm mostly asking as a personal question rather than as a mod because I am atheist and I don't see the point of it.

If the Christians and Muslims can have one, why not us?

Besides, I seem to remember there being an atheist discussion thread on here a long time ago. Could be misremembering though.

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What are your guy's views on morality? I consider myself to be a moral universalist, but not an absolutist.

[Genivaria]

Why do we need a thread for this? I'm mostly asking as a personal question rather than as a mod because I am atheist and I don't see the point of it.

If the Christians and Muslims can have one, why not us?

Besides, I seem to remember there being an atheist discussion thread on here a long time ago. Could be misremembering though.

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What are your guy's views on morality? I consider myself to be a moral universalist, but not an absolutist.

Universalist how exactly?

[Ashlak]

If the Christians and Muslims can have one, why not us?

Besides, I seem to remember there being an atheist discussion thread on here a long time ago. Could be misremembering though.

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What are your guy's views on morality? I consider myself to be a moral universalist, but not an absolutist.

Universalist how exactly?

Universalist in the sense that if it is wrong for me to commit murder, then it is wrong for anyone else to do so.

[Genivaria]

Universalist how exactly?

Universalist in the sense that if it is wrong for me to commit murder, then it is wrong for anyone else to do so.

Ah you mean what others would call 'objective morality'.

[Methodological Individualism]

What are your guy's views on morality? I consider myself to be a moral universalist, but not an absolutist.

Universalist how exactly?

If not absolutist, then I'd assume universalist in, for example, the utilitarian sense.

i.e. the rightness or wrongness of an action are not intrinsic to that action (thus, not absolutist), but instead depend on some other criteria (like its consequences), and can still be similar and/or the same for similarly situated individuals (thus, universalist)

[Aillyria]

Universalist how exactly?

Universalist in the sense that if it is wrong for me to commit murder, then it is wrong for anyone else to do so.

So, morality based on basic things most humans would find wrong or right?

[United Muscovite Nations]

They're not making sweeping generalizations about what's right or wrong, they're saying that morality applies to everyone, and isn't dependent upon the individual (i.e. they aren't an egoist). Hence, as they said, that if it's wrong for them to do X then it must also be wrong for anyone else to do X.

[Methodological Individualism]

So, morality based on basic things most humans would find wrong or right?

Not in a "gets the most votes" sense.

Universalism is the position that ethical claims bind all similarly situated individuals regardless of factors like culture, race, religion, etc.

[USS Monitor]

Why can't the irreligious have an irreligious thread?

Why can't I spend three hours staring at a wall sticking my fingers in my ears and repeating the words, "I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK," spoken, not sung?

Just cos you can do something doesn't mean there's a compelling reason why you should.

And I don't get how this thread is useful. Defining a group by what you DON'T believe in just doesn't bring people together the same way as a group based on what you DO believe in.

[USS Monitor]

But we could create a scientific American thread. We don't need an irreligious thread to discuss that

I just want a pint, tbh.

TBH's thread is here, if you'd like to place your order: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=348110

[Sovaal]

I just want a pint, tbh.

TBH's thread is here, if you'd like to place your order: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=348110

Seems like actual work, I don't come here for that!

[USS Monitor]

I just want a pint, tbh.

You have your priorities straight, I'll take a Rum and Coke.

That's been my alcoholic beverage of choice lately. I only keep one bottle of liquor around at a time, and right now I'm working on a bottle of rum.

[Aillyria]

Why can't the irreligious have an irreligious thread?

Why can't I spend three hours staring at a wall sticking my fingers in my ears and repeating the words, "I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK," spoken, not sung?

Just cos you can do something doesn't mean there's a compelling reason why you should.

And I don't get how this thread is useful. Defining a group by what you DON'T believe in just doesn't bring people together the same way as a group based on what you DO believe in.

Stahp!!!!

So, morality based on basic things most humans would find wrong or right?

Not in a "gets the most votes" sense.

Universalism is the position that ethical claims bind all similarly situated individuals regardless of factors like culture, race, religion, etc.

What does that even mean? From where is this ethics code coming then? A legal framework?

[Darussalam]

What are your guy's views on morality? I consider myself to be a moral universalist, but not an absolutist.

Either an agnostic or moral nihilist. I feel that ultimately the purpose of morality among many is to obscure language in discourse by making value judgements appear to be objective.

[Zanera]

One may discuss how they came to be irreligious. Beyond that, perhaps morality as it applies to irreligious people. Beyond that, no idea...

Why can't the irreligious have an irreligious thread?

Why can't I spend three hours staring at a wall sticking my fingers in my ears and repeating the words, "I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK," spoken, not sung?

Just cos you can do something doesn't mean there's a compelling reason why you should.

And I don't get how this thread is useful. Defining a group by what you DON'T believe in just doesn't bring people together the same way as a group based on what you DO believe in.

If I ever go insane...

[Risottia]

Ignosticist. The "spiritual" issues are nonsensical, not well-defined, hence just a loss of time.

[Cetacea]

So, morality based on basic things most humans would find wrong or right?

Not in a "gets the most votes" sense.

Universalism is the position that ethical claims bind all similarly situated individuals regardless of factors like culture, race, religion, etc.

so, I don't like it, therefore its wrong?

[Methodological Individualism]

Not in a "gets the most votes" sense.

Universalism is the position that ethical claims bind all similarly situated individuals regardless of factors like culture, race, religion, etc.

so, I don't like it, therefore its wrong?

What does that even mean?

More like murder is wrong, whether I worship God, Allah, or a bowl of spaghetti, since those beliefs are not actually ethically relevant. Rather, the wrongness of murder is due to some other factor which applies to all of us equally.

Though, as universalists, we might debate what that factor actually is. An absolutist might say there is something inherent to the act of murder, in and of itself, which makes it wrong regardless of the circumstances. A consequentialist (a non-absolutist) might argue that the consequences of murder are what make it wrong given a particular circumstance.

A non-universalist, like a nihilist or relativist, however, would deny that there is any factor applying to all of us equally, be it absolutist or not.

From where is this ethics code coming then? A legal framework?

I'm a consequentialist, so I'd say from reason informed by experience.