Gay Rights? What do you think.

[Maurepas]

Gay rights is usually used as short hand for giving gay couples the same rights and protections as straight protections.

I think human rights mostly apply to individuals.

And their ability enter into pacts, such as marriage...

[New Kereptica]

I have no problem with gays. As long as they aren't coming on to me im fine with giving them rights.

Do straight people come onto you?

[Maurepas]

Gays should have the same rights as anyone else, except marriage. Marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, and should be kept that way.

Sacred enough for the majority to end in divorce, or worse, right?

Aint nothin sacred about marriage...

[South Lorenya]

Gays should have the same rights as anyone else, except marriage. Marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, and should be kept that way.

Bullshit. Marriage is a bond between two consenting adults, regardless of their genders.

[Takaram]

Gays should have the same rights as anyone else, except marriage. Marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, and should be kept that way.

Sacred enough for the majority to end in divorce, or worse, right?

Aint nothin sacred about marriage...

Yup. Gays aren't killing the sanctity of marriage. Henry VIII did that well enough on his own.

[Hayteria]

People keep telling me that gay rights should be illegal, but when I ask them why, they just storm off. I want your opinions but please give a real reason and not something like, "Because it should be!" Thank you for posting.

Obviously it depends on what particular "rights" you're referring to. Freedom of speech, protection from violence, etc... these are obvious rights which gays and straights should have equally.

But other things are considered "gay rights" when the extent to which they even qualify as rights is at least somewhat subjective... like the idea that they should have "the right to marry the same sex," often rebutalled with "they have the right to marry the opposite sex, just as straights do"; this rebutall is often treated with near-automatic dismissiveness, even though the issue isn't so much a matter not of being barred from holding a private wedding ceremony, but of local governments not recognizing your marriages. And really, is official recognition of a marriage, gay OR straight, so necessary in the first place?

Other things are somewhere in the middle, like gay couples adopting kids. They SHOULD be allowed to adopt, but I'm not convinced that it should be treated as a "right" as if being turned down from adopting a kid were along the same lines as censorship. Again, sometimes the notion of "gay rights" makes it sound like the word "rights" is being misused.

[Industrial Grid]

Marriage is a bond between two consenting adults

legal contract

[La Repubblica Fascista]

I have no problem with gays. As long as they aren't coming on to me im fine with giving them rights.

Do straight people come onto you?

you know what i mean, i didn't say cum, i said come. As in as long as they don't hit on me im fine. As for straight people i have a girlfriend so i usually ignore other straight people hitting on me.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Gays should have the same rights as anyone else, except marriage. Marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, and should be kept that way.

Sacred, how?

[SaintB]

Gays should have the same rights as anyone else, except marriage. Marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, and should be kept that way.

But since when? When it first came about it was a way to keep other men off someone's woman, not so sacred, later it became a way to secure wealth and property, it was apolitical tool; then it became a religious ceremony to make it seem more legitimate but was still more about category A and category B than it was about religion. Even in the most religious time period in western history (the middle ages) the approval of both families and/or a political superior was necessary to have a valid marriage; and so it is still today. Today marriage is still more about property and continuing the family bloodline than it is about religion.

EDIT: I should add, the most significant change to marriage has been when women were officially no longer considered property.

[New Kereptica]

I have no problem with gays. As long as they aren't coming on to me im fine with giving them rights.

Do straight people come onto you?

you know what i mean, i didn't say cum, i said come. As in as long as they don't hit on me im fine. As for straight people i have a girlfriend so i usually ignore other straight people hitting on me.

I didn't say cum either.

Straight people have come onto you in the past, no? And you've been OK with it, I assume?

[EvilDarkMagicians]

I have no problem with gays. As long as they aren't coming on to me im fine with giving them rights.

Do straight people come onto you?

you know what i mean, i didn't say cum, i said come. As in as long as they don't hit on me im fine. As for straight people i have a girlfriend so i usually ignore other straight people hitting on me.

So why does it matter if gay people come onto you? Can't you just ignore them like you do the other straight people?

[Industrial Grid]

Sacred, how?

Because of God.

[Rolling squid]

Gay rights is usually used as short hand for giving gay couples the same rights and protections as straight protections.

I think human rights mostly apply to individuals.

and in this case, the right in question is an individual's right to enter into a specific contract with any other person, regardless of gender.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Sacred, how?

Because of God.

God just told me that marriage isn't sacred any more.
So sorry you lose.

[Hayteria]

Sacred, how?

Because of God.

Whatever, until people can actually prove this "God" such talk should be treated as irrelevant...

[BrightonBurg]

Everyone has the right to be happy.. Oh the 20/21st century meaning.

Carry on then..

[La Repubblica Fascista]

I have no problem with gays. As long as they aren't coming on to me im fine with giving them rights.

Do straight people come onto you?

you know what i mean, i didn't say cum, i said come. As in as long as they don't hit on me im fine. As for straight people i have a girlfriend so i usually ignore other straight people hitting on me.

So why does it matter if gay people come onto you? Can't you just ignore them like you do the other straight people?

My parents ingraved anti-gay sentiment in my brain since i can remember. I have broken away from most of that but if a gay guy starts hitting on me and not leaving me alone we are going to have problems.

[Industrial Grid]

God, just told me that marriage isn't sacred any more.
So sorry you lose.

Yeah well I was with God last night and he told me he just uses you for sex.

[IHaveNoImagination]

I don't give a fuck where you stick your dick, your still human.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

God, just told me that marriage isn't sacred any more.
So sorry you lose.

Yeah well I was with God last night and he told me he just uses you for sex.

But I though god was omnibenevolent.

[Maurepas]

People keep telling me that gay rights should be illegal, but when I ask them why, they just storm off. I want your opinions but please give a real reason and not something like, "Because it should be!" Thank you for posting.

Obviously it depends on what particular "rights" you're referring to. Freedom of speech, protection from violence, etc... these are obvious rights which gays and straights should have equally.

But other things are considered "gay rights" when the extent to which they even qualify as rights is at least somewhat subjective... like the idea that they should have "the right to marry the same sex," often rebutalled with "they have the right to marry the opposite sex, just as straights do"; this rebutall is often treated with near-automatic dismissiveness, even though the issue isn't so much a matter not of being barred from holding a private wedding ceremony, but of local governments not recognizing your marriages. And really, is official recognition of a marriage, gay OR straight, so necessary in the first place?

Other things are somewhere in the middle, like gay couples adopting kids. They SHOULD be allowed to adopt, but I'm not convinced that it should be treated as a "right" as if being turned down from adopting a kid were along the same lines as censorship. Again, sometimes the notion of "gay rights" makes it sound like the word "rights" is being misused.

You're wrong, official recognition is necessary in a great deal many things, including, but not limited to, Visitation Rights, Housing(Military), taxes, insurance etc...

There is an automatic dismissal because it is inherently unequal, in the same way "separate but equal" is inherently unequal, as the Straight Man has the right to marry who he chooses, the Gay Man does not...

As well, Marriage is treated as a Human Right by the Declaration of Human Rights:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Article 16.

* (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
* (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
* (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Rendering your entire argument irrelevant...

[New Kereptica]

My parents ingraved anti-gay sentiment in my brain since i can remember. I have broken away from most of that but if a gay guy starts hitting on me and not leaving me alone we are going to have problems.

A problem different from that you would have if a straight person starts pestering you?

[SaintB]

God, just told me that marriage isn't sacred any more.
So sorry you lose.

Yeah well I was with God last night and he told me he just uses you for sex.

But I though god was omnibenevolent.

That's what the reach around is for.

[Ashmoria]

Sacred, how?

Because of God.

but god is not necessarily involved in straight marriages, should that be disallowed too?