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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:51 am

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*Shades eyes and looks for a politician that's upfront about stuff*

Nope, none here...

I mean natural selection took care of them.


I think the honest politician went the way of the unicorn.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:52 am

Telconi wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I mean natural selection took care of them.


I think the honest politician went the way of the unicorn.

So they all moved to North Korea? :p
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:15 pm

No surprises.

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I think the honest politician went the way of the unicorn.

So they all moved to North Korea? :p


Wait, what?
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Postby Nakena » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:23 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Nakena wrote:Another sign that the US have entered a state of apathy, decline and decay.

Trump had potential.

Sad.


In what way did he have potential?


In ways that to explain would derail not only the thread but also I do not believe you would want to know or learn about.
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Postby The Batavia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:24 pm

What a shame, veterans should be rewarded for their services, not punished.
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Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Foxiford » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:31 pm

Good to see nationstates is a liberal cesspool of cowards who dont care about factual debate and would rather sit in their echo chamber and cry about how terrible trump is

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:34 pm

Foxiford wrote:Good to see nationstates is a liberal cesspool of cowards who dont care about factual debate and would rather sit in their echo chamber and cry about how terrible trump is

Alright, o'wise one, enlighten us with your truths on this great debate! :roll:

But no, seriously, you're not helping or anything.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:38 pm

Nakena wrote:
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In what way did he have potential?


In ways that to explain would derail not only the thread but also I do not believe you would want to know or learn about.


If only we had a thread dedicated to actually talking about him and his politics.
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Postby Foxiford » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:46 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Foxiford wrote:Good to see nationstates is a liberal cesspool of cowards who dont care about factual debate and would rather sit in their echo chamber and cry about how terrible trump is

Alright, o'wise one, enlighten us with your truths on this great debate! :roll:

But no, seriously, you're not helping or anything.


The VA budget under obama was 40 billion less than it is under trump. He is doing more than your shitty president ever did

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:50 pm

Foxiford wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Alright, o'wise one, enlighten us with your truths on this great debate! :roll:

But no, seriously, you're not helping or anything.


The VA budget under obama was 40 billion less than it is under trump. He is doing more than your shitty president ever did

I'm guessing that you haven;t read the thread any, so you may want to do that, and you'll see that I was arguing that it's always been bad.

Second, people will listen to you more if you're polite. May want to knock off the aggressiveness you got there bucko.

Third, didn't vote for Obama, nor was I to terribly a fan of him.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:53 pm

Foxiford wrote:Good to see nationstates is a liberal cesspool of cowards who dont care about factual debate and would rather sit in their echo chamber and cry about how terrible trump is


Hardly. The GOP is doing nothing to help veterans, just like the last administration and the administration before that. The treatment of veterans in this country is a fucking disgrace, so bad, it is no longer a partisan issue.

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Major-Tom wrote:
Foxiford wrote:Good to see nationstates is a liberal cesspool of cowards who dont care about factual debate and would rather sit in their echo chamber and cry about how terrible trump is


Hardly. The GOP is doing nothing to help veterans, just like the last administration and the administration before that. The treatment of veterans in this country is a fucking disgrace, so bad, it is no longer a partisan issue.

This.
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Postby Colbert Super PAC » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:27 pm

Don't worry, the GOP's tax reform will give them a tax cut they can use to pay the rent.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:32 pm

Large amounts of people with military experience, a reason to hate the government and say it's in decline and needs a revival, AND untreated psychological issues?

*shrug*
Join the militias. I'm sure nothing will go wrong.

Hey.
patrol around the voting booths too.

And woops, there we go.

Is the US deliberately playing chicken with fascism?
Sometimes I can't tell.

I suppose without a third party to suddenly "Win popular support" they'd have to force people to vote for the democrats.

Hell. They'd probably get their point across with a "Veterans Party" suddenly taking large percentages in areas with militias.

No seriously though, the compact with soldiers is a thing for a reason. This isn't just sad, it's stupid and dangerous.

Even ignoring mass action, Terrorism and extremism that succeeds usually involves ex-military persons providing know-how.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:39 pm

Foxiford wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Alright, o'wise one, enlighten us with your truths on this great debate! :roll:

But no, seriously, you're not helping or anything.


The VA budget under obama was 40 billion less than it is under trump. He is doing more than your shitty president ever did

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:41 pm

Sovaal wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Yes, but there's something bugging me about this statement from that brilliant brain surgeon



How do they know, neither party has tried it.

But Herp, if we spend money on veterans, we'll have less money to make more veterans!/s

And the GOP loves making veterans, not spending on the existing ones.
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Foxiford wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Alright, o'wise one, enlighten us with your truths on this great debate! :roll:

But no, seriously, you're not helping or anything.


The VA budget under obama was 40 billion less than it is under trump. He is doing more than your shitty president ever did


Also while I really believe that is true, it's polite to post a source whenever you post a statistic.
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Also Trump is pissing off another sizable demographic. :o /s

A sharp cut to military spending of foreign operations could pay for Veteran benefits in full. If we focused a tad less on believing we can just blow up all the world's problems, Veteran care would be an issue of the past.
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Major-Tom wrote:
Foxiford wrote:Good to see nationstates is a liberal cesspool of cowards who dont care about factual debate and would rather sit in their echo chamber and cry about how terrible trump is


Hardly. The GOP is doing nothing to help veterans, just like the last administration and the administration before that. The treatment of veterans in this country is a fucking disgrace, so bad, it is no longer a partisan issue.

It is bad under Democrats and tends to get even worse when the Republicans win due to their fiscal budget hawks battling with their war monger politicians.
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Postby True Refuge » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:50 pm

Colbert Super PAC wrote:Don't worry, the GOP's tax reform will give them a tax cut they can use to pay the rent.


I doubt that the homeless veterans without many skills that are applicable in civilian life will be earning more than US50K a year, which is when the benefits from those cuts kick in.

Depends on the rent and city too. A homeless person in New York would have more trouble paying the rent than one in some small town.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:51 pm

Foxiford wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Alright, o'wise one, enlighten us with your truths on this great debate! :roll:

But no, seriously, you're not helping or anything.


The VA budget under obama was 40 billion less than it is under trump. He is doing more than your shitty president ever did


40 billion?

You have a source to back that up?

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Foxiford wrote:
The VA budget under obama was 40 billion less than it is under trump. He is doing more than your shitty president ever did


40 billion?

You have a source to back that up?

I'm looking, can't find it.
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Foxiford wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Alright, o'wise one, enlighten us with your truths on this great debate! :roll:

But no, seriously, you're not helping or anything.


The VA budget under obama was 40 billion less than it is under trump. He is doing more than your shitty president ever did

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