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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

Deian salazar wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?

1: Not officially. Edit: Though now it is officially to the USA. But no other nation has recognized it as that as the Muslims don't want it to be seen that way.

2: This is a big enough subject to be it's own thread imo. It's one of the biggest crises in recent history due to it's religious and political significance.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?

Trumptonium wrote:But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Deian salazar wrote:1: Not officially. Edit: Though now it is officially to the USA. But no other nation has recognized it as that as the Muslims don't want it to be seen that way.

2: This is a big enough subject to be it's own thread imo. It's one of the biggest crises in recent history due to it's religious and political significance.

1: Ok...

2: It isn't? Trump says alot of shit that isn't true. Or is weird. Or stupid. This is just another one of those.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I presume the Alt Right will now circumcise themselves and convert to Judaism in honor of "based Donald" and the "based Jews".

Aillyria wrote: More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Deian salazar wrote:1: Not officially. Edit: Though now it is officially to the USA. But no other nation has recognized it as that as the Muslims don't want it to be seen that way.

2: This is a big enough subject to be it's own thread imo. It's one of the biggest crises in recent history due to it's religious and political significance.

1: Ok...

2: It isn't? Trump says alot of shit that isn't true. Or is weird. Or stupid. This is just another one of those.

Deian salazar wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

1: Ok...

2: It isn't? Trump says alot of shit that isn't true. Or is weird. Or stupid. This is just another one of those.

This is a huge crisis. Bigger than even the Qatar Crisis, possible as big as the Syrian crisis. It may not seem that way to you but if you look at it from a geopolitical perspective with the history and goals and beliefs of these nations in mind you'd realize this could cause the biggest crisis since the cuban missile crisis.
Edit: Though maybe not as nuclear or world-ending.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?

Cyrothica wrote:Jerusalem was always Israel's capital, and I find it more sadistic to carve up a sovereign nation to appease it's neighbors than to cause a "diplomatic crisis".

And you should probably place this in the Trump thread just to be safe to be honest.

Deian salazar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-turkey-organization-islamic-cooperation/

Yup. Trump did it. The madman did it. He's caused another unnecessary crisis, just like Yemen and Qatar.
Yes I am aware of the argument for doing it, but this will cause another diplomatic crisis even if they stay our allies, it will strain ties further.
I personally think one of 4 things will happen:

1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
To me he f*cked up, I'd have said this of any President, whether I liked Muslims or not this is strategically a poor move.

Kennlind wrote:

Deian salazar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-turkey-organization-islamic-cooperation/

Yup. Trump did it. The madman did it. He's caused another unnecessary crisis, just like Yemen and Qatar.
Yes I am aware of the argument for doing it, but this will cause another diplomatic crisis even if they stay our allies, it will strain ties further.
I personally think one of 4 things will happen:

1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
To me he f*cked up, I'd have said this of any President, whether I liked Muslims or not this is strategically a poor move.

What? How did he cause the crises in Yemen and Qatar? The Arab Spring was backed by OBAMA's government.

1. They've been seen as an enemy of Islam for at least two decades
2. Yes that's totally gonna happen
3. Not gonna happen
4. Not gonna happen

He did not fuck up. He did what was right: supporting Israel against Hamas/PLO terrorists.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Cyrothica wrote:Jerusalem was always Israel's capital, and I find it more sadistic to carve up a sovereign nation to appease it's neighbors than to cause a "diplomatic crisis".

And you should probably place this in the Trump thread just to be safe to be honest.

Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Trumptonium wrote:But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.

"All" currently consisting of exactly two countries.

Cyrothica wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.

And Palestine was a Jewish State. Even had a Jewish flag. The land was always Jewish. The arabs didn't lay claim to it until Egypt and Jordan begun exiling people. And Israel didn't carve the land - The U.K. did. And last I've checked, since Israel has it's own economy, army, seat in NATO and UN, which therefor makes it a nation by legal rights. Also if we're going to go by "Well since so and so invaded such and such, the land should be returned to the former citizens" then let's apply this to Canada, U.S., Europe, China, Korea, and so on if thats how the game is gonna be played.

Trumptonium wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
"All" currently consisting of exactly two countries.

These countries have embassies in Jerusalem.