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Postby United States of Natan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:24 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Exactly. Israel is not looking for a fight; the arabs have been ever since the late 1940's. Israel is fine with people of all faiths. Hell, for some reason, Israel even lets the muslims use OUR (the Jews) temple mount, despite the fact that we built the thing. Odds are, the Arabs, if they were in control of Jerusalem, would not extend the same courtesy to the Jews. We'd be kicked out of the western wall, and barred from our holy sites.

Its a shame the Arab governments refuse to allow for peaceful worship, and instead resort to terrorism and wars to take what they want.


There's also the Jewish atheists to consider.
Israel is not a theocracy, it is a secular state.
Many Islamic countries fuck over atheists in particular, and palestine is no different.

All things being equal, if one side had to annex another and enforce their rules, it would be better for all concerned that that side be Israel.

Definitely. If it were in the hands of the arabs, I don't think anyone can honestly say that they believe they would give them the rights Israel does.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:02 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:Another reason to demilitarize the world's nuclear armament stockpile by dumping it on Texas.

Rick "Oops" Perry is already in charge of the nuclear missiles. What more do you want?

No he's not. He's in charge of our nuclear energy not weapons
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:04 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Rick "Oops" Perry is already in charge of the nuclear missiles. What more do you want?

No he's not. He's in charge of our nuclear energy not weapons


Ah, the finest Gauth-brand (tm) Fake News.

Tbf, Perry is a bit of a cad, but that wouldn’t make him likely to fire off nukes.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:09 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No he's not. He's in charge of our nuclear energy not weapons


Ah, the finest Gauth-brand (tm) Fake News.

Tbf, Perry is a bit of a cad, but that wouldn’t make him likely to fire off nukes.

For him to even be close to doing that he'd have to be the Secretary of the Air Force and he still wouldn't have any control over the firing of them.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:15 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Rick "Oops" Perry is already in charge of the nuclear missiles. What more do you want?

No he's not. He's in charge of our nuclear energy not weapons

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Thermodolia wrote:No he's not. He's in charge of our nuclear energy not weapons


Ah, the finest Gauth-brand (tm) Fake News.

Tbf, Perry is a bit of a cad, but that wouldn’t make him likely to fire off nukes.

Fake this.

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As long as nuclear weapons exist, the United States will maintain a safe, secure and effective nuclear deterrent to keep America safe. In support of this presidential mandate, the Energy Department -- specifically the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) -- is responsible for ensuring the integrity and safety of the nation’s nuclear weapons, advancing nuclear nonproliferation and promoting international nuclear safety.

And what made you imagine I said Perry was in charge of launching the nukes? I said he was in charge of the nukes, as in storing them. Still an Oops moment waiting to happen.
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Postby Appalachian Communists » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:22 am

This can only have positive consequences in the international community :roll:

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:53 am

Petrasylvania wrote:And what made you imagine I said Perry was in charge of launching the nukes? I said he was in charge of the nukes, as in storing them. Still an Oops moment waiting to happen.


Yes, because you were clearly referring to lax storage and safety standards when it comes to the atomic arsenal, and not a more inflammatory and wrongheaded interpretation of "in charge of the nukes".

:roll:
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Postby The Ozark Fronteir » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:55 am

Appalachian Communists wrote:This can only have positive consequences in the international community :roll:

YES!
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:59 am

Appalachian Communists wrote:This can only have positive consequences in the international community :roll:

Yes, exactly.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:59 am

A sad day for the possibility of peace.
Hopefully Britain will let the USA alone deal with the consequences of this. We will not support madmen.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:00 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:A sad day for the possibility of peace.
Hopefully Britain will let the USA alone deal with the consequences of this. We will not support madmen.

I mean I doubt that the possibility for "peace" in the region would've increased to be any more likely than it was for the past sixty odd years if otherwise. Still an idiot move imho.
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Postby The Ozark Fronteir » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:01 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:A sad day for the possibility of peace.
Hopefully Britain will let the USA alone deal with the consequences of this. We will not support madmen.


Don’t worry America Always wipes the Britts asses for them. If these simple nations think they can step up to the Red White and Blue then let them. We will show ‘em what the USA is made of!
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:01 am

Arlenton wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:First, tell me why is the US always right?

Because we have Texas.


Just in: Palestinians formally recognise Texas as part of the United States of Mexico.

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Postby The Ozark Fronteir » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:03 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Because we have Texas.


Just in: Palestinians formally recognise Texas as part of the United States of Mexico.

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:04 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Because we have Texas.


Just in: Palestinians formally recognise Texas as part of the United States of Mexico.

:P

Just in: Texas re-secedes from Mexico, Mexican military crushed, thousands dead.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:04 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:A sad day for the possibility of peace.
Hopefully Britain will let the USA alone deal with the consequences of this. We will not support madmen.


I'm bemused.

Doesn't Britain nominally support the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine? I wasn't aware HRM's government had decided to cease that support.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:08 am

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The Islands of Versilia wrote:A sad day for the possibility of peace.
Hopefully Britain will let the USA alone deal with the consequences of this. We will not support madmen.


I'm bemused.

Doesn't Britain nominally support the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine? I wasn't aware HRM's government had decided to cease that support.

Hm.
I would’ve found it preferable if a two-state solution could be reached. However, as this solution has all but disappeared from possibility, I believe Britain would be better to leave the Israel-Palestine issue to the USA. If war breaks out, I would not support aiding Israel.

However, that is unfortunately not a popular opinion in my home country.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:10 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
I'm bemused.

Doesn't Britain nominally support the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine? I wasn't aware HRM's government had decided to cease that support.

Hm.
I would’ve found it preferable if a two-state solution could be reached. However, as this solution has all but disappeared from possibility, I believe Britain would be better to leave the Israel-Palestine issue to the USA. If war breaks out, I would not support aiding Israel.

However, that is unfortunately not a popular opinion in my home country.

I mean the chances of their actually being a two-state "solution" where already extremely low before hand; simply put, when nobody can agree to something, it won't happen. Honestly the West in general need to leave the ME aside from intelligence imho.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:11 am

I support this fully. The Arabs lost Jerusalem when they tried to gang up on Israel 50 years ago; They are lucky that they got Gaza and Sinai back.

(Note that I say this even though I am a supporter of Jordan and its monarchy, the people who owned East Jerusalem beforehand. They are the only sane voice in the Middle East)
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:12 am

Sovaal wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Hm.
I would’ve found it preferable if a two-state solution could be reached. However, as this solution has all but disappeared from possibility, I believe Britain would be better to leave the Israel-Palestine issue to the USA. If war breaks out, I would not support aiding Israel.

However, that is unfortunately not a popular opinion in my home country.

I mean the chances of their actually being a two-state "solution" where already extremely low before hand; simply put, when nobody can agree to something, it won't happen. Honestly the West in general need to leave the ME aside from intelligence imho.

Agreed.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:12 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
I'm bemused.

Doesn't Britain nominally support the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine? I wasn't aware HRM's government had decided to cease that support.

Hm.
I would’ve found it preferable if a two-state solution could be reached. However, as this solution has all but disappeared from possibility, I believe Britain would be better to leave the Israel-Palestine issue to the USA. If war breaks out, I would not support aiding Israel.

However, that is unfortunately not a popular opinion in my home country.


What part of the U.S. recognizing West Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel makes the two-state solution less plausible?
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:14 am

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The Islands of Versilia wrote:Hm.
I would’ve found it preferable if a two-state solution could be reached. However, as this solution has all but disappeared from possibility, I believe Britain would be better to leave the Israel-Palestine issue to the USA. If war breaks out, I would not support aiding Israel.

However, that is unfortunately not a popular opinion in my home country.


What part of the U.S. recognizing West Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel makes the two-state solution less plausible?

It has riled the Arab communities and Palestinians beyond belief. I find this a threat to any sort of peace deal, and Israel certainly won’t allow a Palestinian state to exist following a war.
So, I find it quite implausible.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:16 am

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G-Tech Corporation wrote:
What part of the U.S. recognizing West Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel makes the two-state solution less plausible?

It has riled the Arab communities and Palestinians beyond belief. I find this a threat to any sort of peace deal, and Israel certainly won’t allow a Palestinian state to exist following a war.
So, I find it quite implausible.


Ah, but why has it riled up the Palestinians? In the two-state solution, Israel and Palestine were supposed to share Jerusalem as a capitol anyway.
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G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:It has riled the Arab communities and Palestinians beyond belief. I find this a threat to any sort of peace deal, and Israel certainly won’t allow a Palestinian state to exist following a war.
So, I find it quite implausible.


Ah, but why has it riled up the Palestinians? In the two-state solution, Israel and Palestine were supposed to share Jerusalem as a capitol anyway.

It is quite obvious: The majority of the Palestinian population (or the most verbal and seem) desire Jerusalem as the sole Palestinian capital.
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Postby Wysten » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:18 am

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The Islands of Versilia wrote:A sad day for the possibility of peace.
Hopefully Britain will let the USA alone deal with the consequences of this. We will not support madmen.


I'm bemused.

Doesn't Britain nominally support the two-state solution for Israel and Palestine? I wasn't aware HRM's government had decided to cease that support.

Wasn't it also the Brits that wrote the Balfour Declaration that advocated for Israel also Jerusalem isn't the sticking point what are they going to do do the same thing they have been doing for years now?
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