Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[Belshekistan]

Guys, they fought over the city. Israel won. In my mind, that makes it rightfully isreal's

[Digital Planets]

Guys, they fought over the city. Israel won. In my mind, that makes it rightfully isreal's

No, I think China still has an open claim to Jerusalem.

[RiderSyl]

Either Trump doesn't understand the gravity of this decision, or he wants Jews and Muslims to get on with killing each other already.

[Community Values]

I'm sort of fine with this. Jerusalem is Israel's capital, and they are our ally so we should support them
but this will not be good for American-Arab relations. Not like they can get much worse.

[Symir]

Guys, they fought over the city. Israel won. In my mind, that makes it rightfully isreal's

Incorrect. If i steal money from the bank, but write on the suitcase that its stored it "stolen from the bank", does that make it mine??

What a terrible strawman. You can do better than that.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Either Trump doesn't understand the gravity of this decision, or he wants Jews and Muslims to get on with killing each other already.

Except the two-state solution implicitly acknowledges Jerusalem as the eventual capitol of both Israel and Palestine. In no way does this move preclude East Jerusalem from being the capitol of a Palestinian state; it merely acknowledges the fact that Israel’s seat of government is formally West Jerusalem.

You know who is protesting this move?

Countries who want Jerusalem to be only for Palestinians or Israelis, and those who are worried about offending them.

[Big Jim P]

First, tell me why is the US always right?

Because we have Texas.

Ja, that just about covers it.

[Big Jim P]

If Texas means supremacy, I think we shall just nuke it for world peace.

Wouldn't nuking the center of the universe would cause the destruction of reality of something?

I like the way you think.

After all, god (and Satan) were born here. Fifty years ago, less one week as of today, in fact.

[Big Jim P]

Wouldn't nuking the center of the universe would cause the destruction of reality of something?

It's only the center of oversized trucks.

I am offended!

You forgot our egos.

[Petrolheadia]

It's only the center of oversized trucks.

I am offended!

You forgot our egos.

Another reason to demilitarize the world's nuclear armament stockpile by dumping it on Texas.

[Yatzatz]

OK, it seems to me that there are three arguments going on here; whether Israel is right or not, whether Jerusalem is Israel's capital, and whether Trump was right in recognizing it as such.
Here are my opinions on them.
Before I begin though, I just want to mention that I am an Israeli. I am a proud Israeli. And, as a citizen of a state who allows total free speech, who allows a radical Muslim party in their Congress, who has repeatedly given away land for peace which hasn't come, and which has NEVER started an offensive war, I stand with Israel.
Now, my arguments.
For the first one, I direct you to this video. And, I did my own research, everything in it is true.
Secondly, the UN partition plan that was accepted by the majority of the world's nations, (though not by the Muslims), and which gave to Israel less than a quarter of the land which was originally meant for it, had Jerusalem as an international city. If that was the case, than where was the international community as Jordan was shelling and destroying it? As the citizens of Jerusalem slowly starved? As no one but Israel defended the holy city? In that moment, the international community gave up their rights to Jerusalem. After the Arabs had finished attempting to annihilate the newly formed Israel, and, in the words of their leaders, to "drive the Jews into the sea", and failed horrifically at that, the Israelis were in control of West Jerusalem. East Jerusalem, which included the Old City, was still in the hands of the local Arabs, until Jordan annexed it along with Judea and Samaria. Therefore, West Jerusalem at least in undoubtedly Israeli. And it is my understanding that a country can choose its own capital. Therefore, I conclude that Jerusalem is indeed the capital of Israel.
And, finally, the third. And the one that I believe this thread was originally for. Now, I hate Trump. However, I strongly believe this is right, probably the first right thing he's done. However, I feel this one can be debated without horrifically distorting facts, so I'll leave you to debate it.
Again, I am a citizen of a state which allows total and complete free speech. If anyone wants to try to dismantle my position, go ahead. I'll defend it as best I can.

[Petrolheadia]

*control territory*
*attack country completely unprovoked*
*lose territory*
"HELP THEY STOLE MUH LAND THEY'RE EBUL ZIONISTS"

More or less, yeah. The UN offered a decent deal to both people; the arabs said no and attacked Israel instead. Israel then defended itself and in doing so, captured some land from the arabs that rightfully belonged to the Jews. Now, the arabs are whining about "illegal occupation" and "1967 borders". You don't just get to push the reset button, pretend your war never happened, and demand an agreement you already rejected.

I'm pretty sure that Palestinians will be delighted to hear they can't have their country because of the actions of boneheads who are six feet under now.

[RiderSyl]

Either Trump doesn't understand the gravity of this decision, or he wants Jews and Muslims to get on with killing each other already.

Except the two-state solution implicitly acknowledges Jerusalem as the eventual capitol of both Israel and Palestine. In no way does this move preclude East Jerusalem from being the capitol of a Palestinian state; it merely acknowledges the fact that Israel’s seat of government is formally West Jerusalem.

You know who is protesting this move?

Countries who want Jerusalem to be only for Palestinians or Israelis, and those who are worried about offending them.

Considering that this path leads to mass death, I can sympathize with the countries who are worried.

Will you still be clinging to technicalities, when dead bodies are piling up in the streets of Israel and Palestine?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Except the two-state solution implicitly acknowledges Jerusalem as the eventual capitol of both Israel and Palestine. In no way does this move preclude East Jerusalem from being the capitol of a Palestinian state; it merely acknowledges the fact that Israel’s seat of government is formally West Jerusalem.

You know who is protesting this move?

Countries who want Jerusalem to be only for Palestinians or Israelis, and those who are worried about offending them.

Considering that this path leads to mass death, I can sympathize with the countries who are worried.

Will you still be clinging to technicalities, when dead bodies are piling up in the streets of Israel and Palestine?

Exactly what part of endorsing a peace agreement both parties have tentatively agreed to pursue is a technicality?

Being willing to appease fanatics just to prevent the loss of life feeds fanaticism, it does not stop it. You are part of the problem giving entities like Hamas power if you are willing to tear up a bilateral accord simply because one party wants to push for more and threatens street violence in order to acheive that aim.

[RiderSyl]

Exactly what part of endorsing a peace agreement both parties have tentatively agreed to pursue is a technicality?

Being willing to appease fanatics just to prevent the loss of life feeds fanaticism, it does not stop it. You are part of the problem giving entities like Hamas power if you are willing to tear up a bilateral accord simply because one party wants to push for more and threatens street violence in order to acheive that aim.

You're backing up Trump's decision here by bringing up technicalities involved in the crappy "two-state solution". That solution is one that has worsened the situation there for decades upon decades.

There is no way to approach this situation and not lose.

Appeasing these damned fanatics is the lesser of all the evils, though.
Ripping up the accord, or giving into it, results in the same parade of corpses.

[Petrasylvania]

Exactly what part of endorsing a peace agreement both parties have tentatively agreed to pursue is a technicality?

Being willing to appease fanatics just to prevent the loss of life feeds fanaticism, it does not stop it. You are part of the problem giving entities like Hamas power if you are willing to tear up a bilateral accord simply because one party wants to push for more and threatens street violence in order to acheive that aim.

You're backing up Trump's decision here by bringing up technicalities involved in the crappy "two-state solution". That solution is one that has worsened the situation there for decades upon decades.

There is no way to approach this situation and not lose.

Appeasing these damned fanatics is the lesser of all the evils, though.
Ripping up the accord, or giving into it, results in the same parade of corpses.

It's not a secret most people on the forum are rooting for Israel to get whatever it wants and for all they care the Palestinians can suck dick, even better if they flee like the Rohingya or die off altogether.

[Big Jim P]

I am offended!

You forgot our egos.

Another reason to demilitarize the world's nuclear armament stockpile by dumping it on Texas.

Jealousy is so unbecoming.

[Petrasylvania]

I am offended!

You forgot our egos.

Another reason to demilitarize the world's nuclear armament stockpile by dumping it on Texas.

Rick "Oops" Perry is already in charge of the nuclear missiles. What more do you want?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Exactly what part of endorsing a peace agreement both parties have tentatively agreed to pursue is a technicality?

Being willing to appease fanatics just to prevent the loss of life feeds fanaticism, it does not stop it. You are part of the problem giving entities like Hamas power if you are willing to tear up a bilateral accord simply because one party wants to push for more and threatens street violence in order to acheive that aim.

You're backing up Trump's decision here by bringing up technicalities involved in the crappy "two-state solution". That solution is one that has worsened the situation there for decades upon decades.

There is no way to approach this situation and not lose.

Appeasing these damned fanatics is the lesser of all the evils, though.
Ripping up the accord, or giving into it, results in the same parade of corpses.

So your solution is to despair of any solution, give fanatics what they want, and let the same people die anyway?

Excuse me, but this solution seems like a not-solution.

You're backing up Trump's decision here by bringing up technicalities involved in the crappy "two-state solution". That solution is one that has worsened the situation there for decades upon decades.

There is no way to approach this situation and not lose.

Appeasing these damned fanatics is the lesser of all the evils, though.
Ripping up the accord, or giving into it, results in the same parade of corpses.

It's not a secret most people on the forum are rooting for Israel to get whatever it wants and for all they care the Palestinians can suck dick, even better if they flee like the Rohingya or die off altogether.

[citation needed]

Also, yknow, the poll in this very thread actually illustrates that opinion on Israel is pretty evenly divided.

So, yeah, you’re wrong, and you being wrong is painfully obvious.

[Petrasylvania]

It's not a secret most people on the forum are rooting for Israel to get whatever it wants and for all they care the Palestinians can suck dick, even better if they flee like the Rohingya or die off altogether.

[citation needed]

Also, yknow, the poll in this very thread actually illustrates that opinion on Israel is pretty evenly divided.

So, yeah, you’re wrong, and you being wrong is painfully obvious.

It'd be great if I was wrong here. Too bad nobody with influence thinks the declaration was a bad idea and Israel continues getting fluffed.

[Nioya]

Secondly, the UN partition plan that was accepted by the majority of the world's nations, (though not by the Muslims), and which gave to Israel less than a quarter of the land which was originally meant for it, had Jerusalem as an international city.

Could you provide a citation for this?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Secondly, the UN partition plan that was accepted by the majority of the world's nations, (though not by the Muslims), and which gave to Israel less than a quarter of the land which was originally meant for it, had Jerusalem as an international city.

Could you provide a citation for this?

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Original Border plan

[Nioya]

Could you provide a citation for this?

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Original Border plan

OK so like would the Israelis be willing to pack up and move so Palestinians can have that plan now? Because most Palestinians today would die for that to happen.

[Holy Tedalonia]

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Original Border plan

OK so like would the Israelis be willing to pack up and move so Palestinians can have that plan now? Because most Palestinians today would die for that to happen.

No, they'll say they won I think fair and square. I'll not that Palestine declared war first almost immediately once they were given sovereignty. Isreal won and annex every territory.

[United States of Natan]

More or less, yeah. The UN offered a decent deal to both people; the arabs said no and attacked Israel instead. Israel then defended itself and in doing so, captured some land from the arabs that rightfully belonged to the Jews. Now, the arabs are whining about "illegal occupation" and "1967 borders". You don't just get to push the reset button, pretend your war never happened, and demand an agreement you already rejected.

I'm pretty sure that Palestinians will be delighted to hear they can't have their country because of the actions of boneheads who are six feet under now.

It's not their country, though. It never was.